There Will Be No Champagne In Hell

[heartstrings]

— "the people in this video are incredibly brilliant, and we have no earthly idea what they're talking about."

 

To the writer: that's what they and the god of this world have duped you into believing; that they're incredibly brilliant....and it's all way over your head.

(disclaimer, I have not watched the video....don't care to)

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/professor-learns-of-big-bang-theory-s-new-evidence--celebrates-with-champagne-140544322.html?vp=1

[no name joe]

I'm confused.  The Big Bang theory is incredibly consistent with scientific evidence and with the Bible. Science attempts to explain how God created the universe.  The Bible tells us of the Creator who caused these events.  The Big Bang theory attempts to explain the origins of the universe by claiming the universe expanded in the fraction of a second from nothing to the its current size, much like inflating a balloon.  This theory does not state the cause of the Big Bang.  Genesis 1 says in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.  The Bible tells us God created.  This theory attempts to understand, from scientific evidence how this happened.  

[HappyChristian]

Sorry, KOB, but when you look deeply into the big bang theory, it is not in line with scripture.  God spoke things into existence...nothing banged. Nor evolved.

[no name joe]

Sorry, KOB, but when you look deeply into the big bang theory, it is not in line with scripture.  God spoke things into existence...nothing banged. Nor evolved.

But when God spoke, what happened, and how did it occur?  That is where science comes in, to look at the universe and attempt to understand creation.  

 

If the universe just appeared when God spoke, that sounds an awful lot like expanding out from nothingness in less than a fraction of a second.  It also explains why the universe is expanding.  It doesn't explain everything, but has been very useful in understanding the construction of the universe.  

 

How life got on earth is a separate question altogether.  The Big Bang and evolution are two completely different theories and cannot be lumped together.  The Big Bang attempts to explain how the universe came into existence (yes, I believe God is the cause of that, and this theory tries to explain scientifically what occurred).  I am not saying this fellow who came up with the theory is a believer.  I am saying that he has taken the data from the observable universe and created a theory of the origins of how the universe came into being.  This big bang is remarkably consistent with God creating the universe out of nothing.  It did not exist, and then in a fraction of a second, it expanded out of a point infinitesimally small.  God spoke, and then the universe was.  

 

How the earth came to be inhabited with life is a separate question.  Evolution from one species to another does not make sense and is not supported by the fossil record.  Too many gaps.  However, micro-evolution is clearly supported (evolution within a species....developing helpful traits).  This is really no more than selective breeding.  Survival of the fittest. 

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But when God spoke, what happened, and how did it occur?  That is where science comes in, to look at the universe and attempt to understand creation.  

 

If the universe just appeared when God spoke, that sounds an awful lot like expanding out from nothingness in less than a fraction of a second.  It also explains why the universe is expanding.  It doesn't explain everything, but has been very useful in understanding the construction of the universe.  

 

How life got on earth is a separate question altogether.  The Big Bang and evolution are two completely different theories and cannot be lumped together.  The Big Bang attempts to explain how the universe came into existence (yes, I believe God is the cause of that, and this theory tries to explain scientifically what occurred).  I am not saying this fellow who came up with the theory is a believer.  I am saying that he has taken the data from the observable universe and created a theory of the origins of how the universe came into being.  This big bang is remarkably consistent with God creating the universe out of nothing.  It did not exist, and then in a fraction of a second, it expanded out of a point infinitesimally small.  God spoke, and then the universe was.  

 

How the earth came to be inhabited with life is a separate question.  Evolution from one species to another does not make sense and is not supported by the fossil record.  Too many gaps.  However, micro-evolution is clearly supported (evolution within a species....developing helpful traits).  This is really no more than selective breeding.  Survival of the fittest. 

:Selective breeding is not "micro evolution". Selective breeding does just what the name implies: you select genes/traits that already exist in the "kind" of the animal so that the animals become specialized for a certain use. If you want mean dogs, you breed the meanest male you have to the meanest female and after awhile you end up with a "breed" like a pitbull. But the pitbull is still a dog and you can breed it back to a wolf. jackal, coyote or even a cocker spaniel of you want....if it doesn't klll it first. it's just playing with genes already in the "kind"

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Science is wrong. The "big bang" has not happened. It is yet future.

2 Peter 3:10 (KJV) 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Peter 3:11 (KJV) 11 [seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,

2 Peter 3:12 (KJV) 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Will come = future.

And it will not be a beginning of some evolutionary process, it will be judgment upon the Earth.

[no name joe]

:Selective breeding is not "micro evolution". Selective breeding does just what the name implies: you select genes/traits that already exist in the "kind" of the animal so that the animals become specialized for a certain use. If you want mean dogs, you breed the meanest male you have to the meanest female and after awhile you end up with a "breed" like a pitbull. But the pitbull is still a dog and you can breed it back to a wolf. jackal, coyote or even a cocker spaniel of you want....if it doesn't klll it first. it's just playing with genes already in the "kind"

 That was my simple explanation for natural selection.  Natural selection is basically selective breeding in nature.  Where vegitation is tall, animals with shorter necks die, those in the species with longer necks survive, so the desirable trait survives.  It is a species becoming stronger and adapting to the environment.

[DaveW]

Micro-evolution is the term used in science for variation within a kind.
My personal view is that the term and its scientific application is a deliberate attempt to deceive by association - they define micro-evolution to cover an observable event then misapply the extrapolation of it to beyond species boundaries.
I don't think it is a term that Christians should use, but KOB has used it in its accepted scientific sense..

However the long neck example is a very bad one - what happens to the baby long necks?

It is kinda essential that they survive. .... :lol:

[Ukulelemike]

God did not create vis a big bang-the Big bang requires everything to exploed and immediately begin to spread out and form over billions of years. God spoke the earth into creation first, and a few days later, set the stars and planets into place-the BB demands it happens opposite of that.

 

Besides God wouldn't need a big bang, He just spoke and it was, then took the heavens and stretched them out with His hands. What they in this article are calling the inflation effect cause, supposedly by the BB, is just the result of God' s stretching out of the heavens. Funny how science took thousands of years to figure out what God told us by His prophets almost 3,000 years ago. Like the round earth, the springs in the oceans, the fact that light moves and darkness is still,  the wind and water circuits, that all men are of one blood, and various other such scientific facts the Bible told us, and science only recently verified.

[John81]

Most science in these areas today don't attempt to explain how God created the universe (as KOB suggests) but rather to come up with alternative ideas of any way things could have come about without God.

 

Those were good points Dave! Scientists that believe in evolution tend to take something natural (such as the example above) and then twist it and try to make it fit into their theories in ways they can't and don't. By mixing a bit of truth with their outrageous theories, they convince those who won't bother to look or think any farther than the grain of truth put forth at the beginning.

 

Scripture is clear, God spoke and what He spoke instantly was. No "big bang" followed by millions or billions of years (or thousands as some professing Christians claim) of expansion and evolution of something from nothing, life from non-life.

 

To touch upon the OP title, hell is real, there will be nothing there to quench any thirst, there will be nothing but suffering, torment and regret.

[ASongOfDegrees]

Micro-evolution is the term used in science for variation within a kind.
My personal view is that the term and its scientific application is a deliberate attempt to deceive by association - they define micro-evolution to cover an observable event then misapply the extrapolation of it to beyond species boundaries.
I don't think it is a term that Christians should use, but KOB has used it in its accepted scientific sense..

However the long neck example is a very bad one - what happens to the baby long necks?

It is kinda essential that they survive. ....

Some evolutionists that I've talked to reject the term micro-evolution because it is too in line with creationism. 

[ASongOfDegrees]

I understand KOB point he's trying to make but the problem is with the Big Bang model it takes too long for our present universe to come into existence. Happy is write to say that God spoke everything into existence , meaning it immediately came to be. You can't have that with the Big Bang model.

[no name joe]

I understand KOB point he's trying to make but the problem is with the Big Bang model it takes too long for our present universe to come into existence. Happy is write to say that God spoke everything into existence , meaning it immediately came to be. You can't have that with the Big Bang model.

 

I believe the universe is billions of years old. The way I read the Bible is that it speaks of the creator.  The purpose of the Bible isn't a science textbook.  Genesis 1 is poetry, imagery used to tell us that God created an orderly and good universe.  Even if it is literal, isn't it possible that Adam and Eve were in the garden for millions of years prior to the fall?  We have no idea how long the universe existed prior to the fall.  I suspect it was a very, very long time.  They would have no reason to count the years of age prior to the fall because time didn't matter.  Only after the fall does time matter.  

 

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, just saying the Bible is silent in how God created. Yes he spoke, but what happened when he spoke?  To say it just appeared seems quite simple or a God who created an extraordinarily complex universe.  God is eternal.  Billions of years is nothing to God.  It is a drop in the bucket of time.  WIth a universe so vast and wonderful, I have to believe he spend trillions of years planning it, and then billions creating it, and he is still creating.  Stars are still being born.  Mountains are still being built.  Valleys are still being cut out by water.  Volcanos are creating new islands in the oceans.  He is also continuously creating new life in us.  He is shaping and molding our hearts over the course of our lifetime just as he continues to shape and mold this world and this universe.  Quite mind boggling.  

[DaveW]

We've been over all this before and no one is going to convince you otherwise.

Aside from stating that I, along with the vast majority on this site, disagree with you, I must take issue with you saying the Bible doesn't say how He created.
Although you don't accept it, the Bible is VERY descriptive about how God created.

[John81]

KOB,

 

Do you believe the Bible is true and accurate? Scripture gives the age Adam lived to and it wasn't millions of years.

 

Scripture says specifically, and clearly, there was a literal six day creation. This is affirmed by Jesus who refers to points in Genesis as fact, not poetry.

 

God created everything with His spoken word, God said and instantly it was.