Churches That Are Against Having Drums In The Music...

[JerryNumbers]

I just googled "rock concert video". for an example of 'drum beats' and the first one which came up for me was a concert by "Whitesnake". It was very VILE. I heard electric guitar distortions and drums....lots of drums. I agree that there's nothing wrong with 'drums' per se, but I fail to see how electric guitar distortions have enough melody to inspire "making melody in your hearts" unto the Lord. That;s why I fail to see how any kind of rock music or anything which even resembles such, including similar drum beats, can praise God, and edify God's people....And seeing that the very same thing is used to honor the Devil, why would we want to conform to this world's 'worship'?. So the question is, can the same style of music which is used to glorify power, lust, rebellion and anarchy, lewdness and filth be used to praise God? Really..

 

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Romans 12:2

 

The answer is NO! Yet many knows not any better, & they care not either, its all about their self, & they refuse to give up anything of the world for the sake of the One who gave His Life so that whosoever will accepted Him can have eternal life. The I generation is very large & growing even larger, & for them its all about I, not the Savior.

 

They feel liberty gives them every right to sin whatsoever sin or sins they chose, & it will not have no effect on them & their relationship to Christ, & it will not be a stumbling-block for the lost.

 

Many claim to be saved yet never repented, & have never let Christ change them, & their love for the world just grows even more so, & they have no love for righteousness & Jesus' ways, & they are still living under their own power, & have not the power to overcome the prince of this world. And if you have very many of this type is one church they will bring the world in, pushing Jesus out the door, & it will no longer be a church following Jesus, but a church following the prince of this world.

[John81]

By what some have put forth here, classical, orchestral, martial and many other forms of music are too corrupt styles for Christians. By extension, that would mean the musical instruments they use are too, which means we need to cast forth virtually all instruments from our churches, including the piano and organ.

 

Best go back to singing nothing but the Psalms without musical instruments just to be safe.

[JerryNumbers]

To answer Laura - & Psalm 150 - many churches - particularly Reformed - operate the "Regulative Principle" which requires the church's worship & practice to conform to the NT principles. ONLY what is restarted in the NT from the OT should be used in worship.

 

The instruments of Psalm 150 are not considered in e.g. Eph. 5 or Col. 3, & so should NOT be used in Christian worship.

 

Eph. 5:¹⁸ And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

¹⁹ Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

 

Col. 3:¹⁶ Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

 

Until about 150 years ago, that principle applied. ALL independent churches, & Presbyterian, did not use musical instruments at all. Instruments were allowed for secular pleasure - e.g. country dancing - but not worship. When Moody & Sankey came to England, one of the objections raised by non-conformists (independents & Presb) was the use of instruments as an attractive feature - singing the Gospel, rather than preaching it. Sinners should not be "entertained" with sweet music. (But shhhhh - now we enjoy singing those Sankey hymns - they really had a tune, not like CCM.)

 

I agree in principle, but not with that strict application. I am happy to use instruments to lead the singing, but only as subservient.

 

Wow, Alexandra Campbell was the founder of that mess & for a long time his churches were known as the Cambelllite churches & its members as Campbellites. Now they are no longer call their self Campbellites, they call their self churches of Christ & claim their church was started by Jesus, not Mr. Campbell. And they claim one must be baptized into the churches of Christ are they cannot enter Heaven. Which bans their founder, Alexandra Campbell, from Heaven because he was baptized by a Baptist pastor.

 

Yet none of that changes the truth. Its a church built upon lies, yet many there be that falls for its lies.

[JerryNumbers]

By what some have put forth here, classical, orchestral, martial and many other forms of music are too corrupt styles for Christians. By extension, that would mean the musical instruments they use are too, which means we need to cast forth virtually all instruments from our churches, including the piano and organ.

 

Best go back to singing nothing but the Psalms without musical instruments just to be safe.

 

Some is corrupt, some is not corrupt, but its about glorifying man, not God, & we should be glorifying God with our whole life.

 

Why, why is is so many Christians seems to have to take a vacation away from God enjoying worldly stuff while leaving God out?

[swathdiver]

My church strictly sings hymns with either a piano or organ.  I prefer praise and worship music.

 

On the radio I listen to Amy Grant, Jaci Velasquez, Hillsong...just to name a few.  

 

 

Praise and worship is for self gratification and not God-honoring Ma'am.  It's about feelings and not actually praising God, indeed, it's an offense to God.

 

The singers listed are part of Contemporary Charismatic Music.  It is loaded with outright atheists, sodomites, Christ-deniers, ecumenism, etc., in short, these folks, however sincere are not following the God of the Bible, they are of this world.  It's evil.

[John81]

Praise and worship is for self gratification and not God-honoring Ma'am.  It's about feelings and not actually praising God, indeed, it's an offense to God.

 

The singers listed are part of Contemporary Charismatic Music.  It is loaded with outright atheists, sodomites, Christ-deniers, ecumenism, etc., in short, these folks, however sincere are not following the God of the Bible, they are of this world.  It's evil.

Praise and worship are both commanded in Scripture and to be done in a variety of ways which glorifies God and also blesses us.

 

If you are not actually speaking of praise and worship here, but the category of music called praise and worship, one yet has to be careful because just as the term CCM encompasses almost anything today, so does the term praise and worship music. Praise and worship hymns right out of our hymnals are today lumped into the category of praise and worship music. Any music of a praise and worship type, whether a hymn accompanied by a piano, a newer song, a psalm, whether sang with an orchestra, a guitar, small band, large band or whatever, it's all lumped in the praise and worship category.

 

It's the heart of the individual that determines whether or not one is praising and worshiping God or not. A person can just as easily sing Amazing Grace simply because they like the song and enjoy it but not be singing it to the Lord, or one can sing Amazing Grace out of duty while their mind wonders over what they are going to have for dinner. At the same time someone might sing Thy Word with a heart truly thankful to God for His Word, giving Him praise.

 

Those from our camp once stood against the music of Moody and Sankey using some of the same arguments we use today against new music. Even many of the hymns in our hymnals were once rejected by our camp. Several hymns we love today from our hymnals we wouldn't recognize if played years ago because the music to the songs have been changed, sometimes several times; and in some cases even the lyrics have gone through one or more revisions. Our beloved Amazing Grace fits into this category.

 

Several of the hymns written in the late 1800s and early 1900s were considered by our camp to be too modern, too upbeat, too worldly, yet they are in our hymnals today. Yet for a time previous to that it was common to take popular secular tunes and write a Christian song to go with the tune and that was seen as okay, even good.

 

We should be careful with blanket statements and statements which judge the hearts of our brothers/sisters in Christ.

 

We have enough churches around that we can find one which meets our understanding of Scripture in the area of music, that meets our preferences, that suits our way of giving the Lord praise and worship through song. No good is going to come from denouncing the black Baptist church down the street because their music is so loud and the congregation moves during services. It doesn't help us grow in the Lord to say the next church down is feeding their flesh because they have a guitar playing along with the piano. We won't improve another church by going in a ripping certain songs out of their hymnals.

 

Inside our own churches is the place to decide what songs/music we will and won't use.

 

If our church were considering expanding the sanctuary so they could make room for an orchestra, or a small band on the platform, or for the establishment of a choir, I would be in the midst of the discussions. When the church down the street, in the next town, or in some other State is doing such, that's between them and the Lord, and me not being a member of that church, I'm not going to stick my nose in there with approval or disapproval.

[Left the Bldg]

The answer is NO! Yet many knows not any better, & they care not either, its all about their self, & they refuse to give up anything of the world for the sake of the One who gave His Life so that whosoever will accepted Him can have eternal life. The I generation is very large & growing even larger, & for them its all about I, not the Savior.

 

They feel liberty gives them every right to sin whatsoever sin or sins they chose, & it will not have no effect on them & their relationship to Christ, & it will not be a stumbling-block for the lost.

 

Many claim to be saved yet never repented, & have never let Christ change them, & their love for the world just grows even more so, & they have no love for righteousness & Jesus' ways, & they are still living under their own power, & have not the power to overcome the prince of this world. And if you have very many of this type is one church they will bring the world in, pushing Jesus out the door, & it will no longer be a church following Jesus, but a church following the prince of this world.

Again, this is about drums not salvation.  The Holy Spirit is the One that speaks to a person's conscience and convicts them.  Therefore, it is inappropriate for you to say a straight "no" as if you are the one giving a final answer.  It may be no for you but not for others.  And until someone shows me something Biblically that says otherwise, it is up to the individual to decide what the Holy Spirit is telling them.  Only God knows the heart.

[candlelight]

Each church has the liberty to choose the musical instruments they want used, or not.

 

As has been said, musical instruments are just objects, neither good nor bad, it's how they are used that makes the difference.

 

Agreed, John!  I have been to HappyChristian's church and the music is just beautiful, drums and all.  I wish my IFB church would use them.  If it is glorifying to the Lord Jesus Christ, I believe there is no problem with using them in church. 

[Left the Bldg]

Praise and worship is for self gratification and not God-honoring Ma'am.  It's about feelings and not actually praising God, indeed, it's an offense to God.

 

The singers listed are part of Contemporary Charismatic Music.  It is loaded with outright atheists, sodomites, Christ-deniers, ecumenism, etc., in short, these folks, however sincere are not following the God of the Bible, they are of this world.  It's evil.

An atheist singing about God (Jesus)?  That makes no sense.  Do you personally know these people to call them sodomites because you don't agree with their way of worship to a God they supposedly don't believe in because they're atheists?  That sounds very judgmental like a Pharisee. 

[swathdiver]

Praise and worship are both commanded in Scripture and to be done in a variety of ways which glorifies God and also blesses us.

 

If you are not actually speaking of praise and worship here, but the category of music called praise and worship, one yet has to be careful...

 

The Scripture's definition and the rock-n-rollers definition are quite different John, it was the latter I was referring to.

 

An atheist singing about God (Jesus)?  That makes no sense.  Do you personally know these people to call them sodomites because you don't agree with their way of worship to a God they supposedly don't believe in because they're atheists?  That sounds very judgmental like a Pharisee. 

 

One doesn't have to personally know them Ma'am, just read their own writings, interviews, actions and websites.  I am very judgemental, I have three daughters and a wife to protect from this sin cursed world, not to mention myself.  Don't skip verse 2 when you think of Matthew 7:1, Ma'am.

 

For example, Amy Grant is someone to warn your children about, not embrace their music and devilish doctrines.

[HappyChristian]

Welllllll - no. It's not completely up to the individual to decide what the Holy Spirit is telling them.  See, this is where we have a problem. Yes, the Holy Spirit leads us. BUT!

 

The Holy Spirit will not lead contrary to the Word of God.  As I said in another post, there is plenty of scripture that warns us about HOW we are to live our lives.  And that includes our music, both personal and corporate.  

 

I have started another thread (I'm still posting in my OP, so be patient a minute or two  )  here:  

in which to discuss this so we don't stray so far from the OP.  So, please refrain from discussion of CCM's virtues or vices in this thread.  Thanks.

[Left the Bldg]

The Scripture's definition and the rock-n-rollers definition are quite different John, it was the latter I was referring to.

 

 

One doesn't have to personally know them Ma'am, just read their own writings, interviews, actions and websites.  I am very judgemental, I have three daughters and a wife to protect from this sin cursed world, not to mention myself.  Don't skip verse 2 when you think of Matthew 7:1, Ma'am.

 

For example, Amy Grant is someone to warn your children about, not embrace their music and devilish doctrines.

The Pharisees didn't know Jesus personally either and said he was from the devil since he was eating and drinking with notorious tax collectors.  You just admitted in your above statement that you are very judgmental.  Perhaps you need to reread Matthew?  I don't believe everything I read off the web.  You don't like Amy Grant because she sings CCM which you don't agree with and that is your choice.  Have you heard her song "El Shaddai", "Age to Age", "My Father's Eyes"...just to name a few?  "Baby Baby" inspired by the birth of her daughter.  None of that sounds devilish to me.    

[Left the Bldg]

Welllllll - no. It's not completely up to the individual to decide what the Holy Spirit is telling them.  See, this is where we have a problem. Yes, the Holy Spirit leads us. BUT!

 

The Holy Spirit will not lead contrary to the Word of God.  As I said in another post, there is plenty of scripture that warns us about HOW we are to live our lives.  And that includes our music, both personal and corporate.  

 

I have started another thread (I'm still posting in my OP, so be patient a minute or two  )  here:  

in which to discuss this so we don't stray so far from the OP.  So, please refrain from discussion of CCM's virtues or vices in this thread.  Thanks.

I agree the Holy Spirit leads us but not contrary to the Word, Everything in this world is at our disposal to use for good or evil, which again, brings me to say that until someone shows me Biblically that drums in church (which was the original topic) or CCM is worldly and because one chooses to listen to it as a form of worship and edification I am still not convinced that it makes anyone unseparated or unholy or that they're not living a life according to scripture.

[HappyChristian]

Well, as I said, CCM discussion has been moved to another thread.  So, let's not discuss that anymore here.

[The Glory Land]

Let take a love offering for a new drum set...         ...