EDITED: Where is my church going??

[tired]

This "christian" book is messing with my in-laws whole doctrine. They are super confused about all kind of stuff, now. They ain't lying it has changed their life.

[Salyan]

I walked by a bookshelf at the new super Wal-Mart a couple of months ago. It was just filled with 'christian' books including The Shack and a couple of similar titles. I had a batch of tracts in my purse so I stopped and stuffed them in. Hopefully someone read the Truth as well!

[Guest Guest]

Salyan

[PunkJohnnyCash]

I see your point. I know many good Godly black women. However, I will tell you that they know God is a man. :smile

Where exactly in scripture were we told about the genitalia of God? I don't think that was ever in any King James I have read. No, I have not seen God bound by that mortal of a concept where he has even a need to reproduce. There is no way anyone can know that in fact to do such would be anthropomorphism. Man and Woman were both created in the image of God. God has no gender, he does however have feminine and masculine qualities.

[HappyChristian]

Where exactly in scripture were we told about the genitalia of God? I don't think that was ever in any King James I have read. No, I have not seen God bound by that mortal of a concept where he has even a need to reproduce. There is no way anyone can know that in fact to do such would be anthropomorphism. Man and Woman were both created in the image of God. God has no gender, he does however have feminine and masculine qualities.

And He's called the Father. Father. Not mother. And Jesus came as a man, not a woman. If God had intended to be androgynous, I doubt He would have referred to Himself in the male gender (king, prince, father, etc).

[PunkJohnnyCash]

And He's called the Father. Father. Not mother. And Jesus came as a man, not a woman. If God had intended to be androgynous, I doubt He would have referred to Himself in the male gender (king, prince, father, etc).

A car has no gender it does not lead me to the conclusion the the car is androgynous, in fact I see cars as masculine objects. The thought that God has to be a male or female is an extremely culturally bound concept. It is an extremely westernized philosophy. People have gender for procreation. God does not procreate. He does not make other gods with a woman god. There is one God gender is not a necessity for his existence or perpetuation. He never dies and does not make baby gods. That is a humanistic concept of God. Gender terms were used as a way to relate and understand God with language that was too limited to define The One Omnipotent God.

[Revelation3:20]

Man and Woman were both created in the image of God.

Wrong. Adam was made in the image of God, Eve was not, she was taken from man and was not made in the image of God as Adam was.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

[HappyChristian]

A car has no gender it does not lead me to the conclusion the the car is androgynous, in fact I see cars as masculine objects. The thought that God has to be a male or female is an extremely culturally bound concept. It is an extremely westernized philosophy. People have gender for procreation. God does not procreate. He does not make other gods with a woman god. There is one God gender is not a necessity for his existence or perpetuation. He never dies and does not make baby gods. That is a humanistic concept of God. Gender terms were used as a way to relate and understand God with language that was too limited to define The One Omnipotent God.

Nobody has suggested any of the types of junk you've listed here. The Bible refers to God in the masculine gender. Period. And there is no comparison to Him with cars.

[speerjp1]

The Shack is just another stone in the cobbled street of books that paves the path leading toward the ends of gnosticism. The ends of gnosticism include the acceptance of human knowledge above God's Word and the resulting eternal damnation of those who chose man's worldly "wisdom" over the less appealing (in the eyes of humanity and the world) wisdom of God.

The god these books describe, depict, and even speak for is typically far from the God that loves us, gave us His word, and died for us. At the root of this issue is the desire of many in post-modernism to have a spiritual experience that "transcends" spirituality and enters the realm of human imagination and even tangibility. Making images of God in the minds of men is the intent of books like The Shack. This actually is quite an affront to God and seems only to be an attempt to lower Him to the level of men.

God gave us HIS Word. Every apostle and Jesus Christ himself preached the gospel from God's Word. They spoke of God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Souls were saved, saints were edified, there was reproof, rebuke, admonition, and commandments. Spiritual babes grew to spiritual maturity and in the face of fierce adversity they did not cry for human intervention or worldly wisdom. They looked to God.

How did they know about God? What did they know about God?

One answer to both questions: His Word: it is sufficient and I don't have to worry about choking on a "bone."

It is good to keep at the forefront of our hearts and puny human minds what God has placed as the priority: obedience. It is better than sacrifice. It brings glory to God. It demonstrates our love for Him.

What I'm trying to get at is this: there can be absolutely no merit in knowing or understanding anything about God that He didn't tell us clearly in His Word.

[HappyChristian]

The Shack is just another stone in the cobbled street of books that paves the path leading toward the ends of gnosticism. The ends of gnosticism include the acceptance of human knowledge above God's Word and the resulting eternal damnation of those who chose man's worldly "wisdom" over the less appealing (in the eyes of humanity and the world) wisdom of God.

The god these books describe, depict, and even speak for is typically far from the God that loves us, gave us His word, and died for us. At the root of this issue is the desire of many in post-modernism to have a spiritual experience that "transcends" spirituality and enters the realm of human imagination and even tangibility. Making images of God in the minds of men is the intent of books like The Shack. This actually is quite an affront to God and seems only to be an attempt to lower Him to the level of men.

God gave us HIS Word. Every apostle and Jesus Christ himself preached the gospel from God's Word. They spoke of God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Souls were saved, saints were edified, there was reproof, rebuke, admonition, and commandments. Spiritual babes grew to spiritual maturity and in the face of fierce adversity they did not cry for human intervention or worldly wisdom. They looked to God.

How did they know about God? What did they know about God?

One answer to both questions: His Word: it is sufficient and I don't have to worry about choking on a "bone."

It is good to keep at the forefront of our hearts and puny human minds what God has placed as the priority: obedience. It is better than sacrifice. It brings glory to God. It demonstrates our love for Him.

What I'm trying to get at is this: there can be absolutely no merit in knowing or understanding anything about God that He didn't tell us clearly in His Word.

[offtopic]speer - been thinking about you all and your little one, wondering how things are going. And how your brother's doing. Hope everyone's doing great.[/offtopic]

[speerjp1]

[offtopic]speer - been thinking about you all and your little one' date=' wondering how things are going. And how your brother's doing. Hope everyone's doing great.[/offtopic']

[offtopic]

We are all doing great. Things have been quite busy here since we've surrendered to full-time ministry and had Asa Paul added to our family last year. My brother, Joseph, returned safely from Afghanistan a couple of weeks ago to meet his own baby son for the first time. He is looking for a job right now and could use the prayers of saints for God's leadership and provision. We've missed being on OB, but hopefully we'll be able to slow down a bit for a while and once again share in the blessing of such great Christian fellowship more often.

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[JerryNumbers]

Many do not like God's Word as it is, so they change any part of it they wish to what ever they want it to be.

The cause of this is lack of repentance, the lack of being saved, they cannot discern God's Word.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Cor 2:13-14 (KJV)