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  1. Two more passages for consideration "1 Samuel 16:1 And the LORD said unto Samuel, How long wilt thou mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? fill thine horn with oil, and go, I will send thee to Jesse the Bethlehemite: for I have provided me a king among his sons. 2 And Samuel said, How can I go? if Saul hear it, he will kill me. And the LORD said, Take an heifer with thee, and say, I am come to sacrifice to the LORD. 3 And call Jesse to the sacrifice, and I will shew thee what thou shalt do: and thou shalt anoint unto me him whom I name unto thee." "Jere
  2. That is a horribly inaccurate abuse of that passage. For one thing if you interpretation was correct it would mean that baptism comes first, and a "new heart" or salvation comes afterward. For another, look at the whole passage, it has to do with the future restoration and redemption of the nation of Israel, it has nothing at all to do with NT baptism. The sprinkling isn't even physical water, it is a spiritual awakening. I am putting you OT "proof" passage in red, and underlining and enlarging other portions of the passage that demonstrate just how far off and how badly taken out of context y
  3. "John 3:23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized." Sprinkling is not a valid form of believers baptism. There isn't a single case of believers baptism by sprinkling in scripture. If it had been valid to sprinkle there would have been no reason to for John to baptize where there was "much water". All he would need then would be a pitcher of "holy water" just like the catholics. One bad doctrine leads to another, and then on and on to end who knows where I suppose . I assume you are not yet accepting of infant
  4. Your twisting the statement and you know it. You might want to think about Proverbs 10:18
  5. It is far better they not go over that issue than go and the wife be constantly undermining the position of the church and chaffing over it.
  6. Those are fair points. The only thing I can think of that might favor the idea of "perpetual" sin is what John told Herod. "Mark 6:17-18 For Herod himself had sent forth and laid hold upon John, and bound him in prison for Herodias sake, his brother Philip's wife: for he had married her. For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife." I suppose there is a chance John only told him this before he married her, but if that was the case and this wasn't a case of continued sin I don't know why herodias would want to have John killed for it. I can see points
  7. Jeremiah 3:1 touches on it in passing too.
  8. Possibly this passage applies. "Ephesians 5:11-12 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret."
  9. That is the sobering truth isn't it. If firm lines are not drawn on important doctrinal matters truth is usually diluted over time and before you know it you have nearly as much error as truth which in turn attracts more error and slowly drives out the truth that remains. 1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
  10. What does Genesis 9:20 say? it says " Noah began to be an husbandman". It may well have been that he became drunken without realizing what was happening. I serious doubt he had a habit of drunkenness. What makes you think it was unjust? the only way the curse would have any effect is if the curse was from God. Would God bring to pass a unjust curse pronounced by a man with a hangover? Before we think to poorly of Noah and proclaim that he was acting unjustly we should consider that God consistently uses him as an example of a very righteous man. "Ezekiel 14:12-14 The word of the LORD
  11. Perhaps you do. Perhaps the Lord is using this to show you some more things that do not honor him.
  12. One church can't "steal" members from another. Property is stolen, and members should not be viewed like that. Sadly some pastors seem as if they almost do regard church members as property which can be lost or "stolen". Sometimes there is a little to much ego involved. I do think it is wise to find out why someone is starting to attend you church if they previously attended another sound church in the general area. To often people switch churches for petty reasons and that should be discouraged for their own good and for the good of what ever church they are trying to join. People who leave o
  13. Yes, but the only reason those in Matt 7:21-23 thought they were saved was because they were trusting in the wrong thing. In their minds it was all about what they had done for God rather than the other way around. Not one of them said "Lord didn't I trust in your shed blood and finished work and ask you to save me?"
  14. There isn't any way we can know exactly who it was from scripture. All we can say is that the man was an OT believer. Beyond that it is complete speculation. If we venture to far in speculation it is easy to make mistakes.
  15. There is nothing wrong with logic, God gave us the ability to reason and expects us to use it. It only becomes a prOBlem when man thinks to highly of his ability to reason and foolishly thinks he can argue with God. That would be like a first grader arguing with a college math professor and telling him his math is wrong on a advanced equation. The first grader would be so far short of level the college professor is at that the first grader wouldn't even be able to understand what the professor was doing let alone be in a position to correct him. Faith would be the first grader realizing and re
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