Troubled times

[TheGloryLand]

I used these words much in the past. We are living in a troubled times. But, when I did a biblical search, I could not find that it is mentioned. Troubled times, do strange times, sound better or correct?

[TheGloryLand]

I did a quick search and strange is found only in the Old Testament

Edited December 12, 2023 by TheGloryLand

[BrotherTony]

Since the beginning of mans existence outside of the Garden of Eden has he been living in "troubled times." The first murder, idolatry, kidnapping, etc all in the first book of the Bible. It led to mankind only being saved by the grace of God from a worldwide flood that destroyed every living thing from off the face of the Earth.

TBH, TGL, at times you come across as an alarmist. That's just my opinion. I cannot speak for others. I look at it like this, even in troubled times the Lord is in control and knows what is going on. Nothing that is happening surprises him.

[Napsterdad]

1 hour ago, TheGloryLand said:

I did a quick search and strange is found only in the Old Testament

That's odd...

[TheGloryLand]

3 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

Since the beginning of mans existence outside of the Garden of Eden has he been living in "troubled times." The first murder, idolatry, kidnapping, etc all in the first book of the Bible. It led to mankind only being saved by the grace of God from a worldwide flood that destroyed every living thing from off the face of the Earth.

TBH, TGL, at times you come across as an alarmist. That's just my opinion. I cannot speak for others. I look at it like this, even in troubled times the Lord is in control and knows what is going on. Nothing that is happening surprises him.

Next time, I will say, that we’re living in evil times, that will cover the Old and New Testaments. What do you think?

[Napsterdad]

5 minutes ago, TheGloryLand said:

Next time, I will say, that we’re living in evil times, that will cover the Old and New Testaments. What do you think?

Then I think "next time" will be very similar to very many previous times.

[BrotherTony]

26 minutes ago, TheGloryLand said:

Next time, I will say, that we’re living in evil times, that will cover the Old and New Testaments. What do you think?

In what time period after the expulsion from the Garden hasn't been evil? 

[TheGloryLand]

1 hour ago, BrotherTony said:

In what time period after the expulsion from the Garden hasn't been evil? 

The Flood

[Rebecca]

I know I'm guilty of teaching the sanitized Sunday school version of the story. But really think about it. The Flood was a time of absolute horror. Watch videos of places that were flooded after hurricanes and such and the massive cleanup jobs needed. Watch videos of the aftermath of the 2004 tsunami (227,899 people killed, mass graves were needed, the videos are heartbreaking). Now imagine it on the scale The Flood created. Dead people and animals everywhere. Do you think they just disappeared? There was a reason why Noah drank himself into a stupor afterward. There have always been evil and troubled times on the earth since man was expelled from the Garden. 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Rebecca

[BrotherTony]

1 hour ago, TheGloryLand said:

The Flood

I don't agree. Remember Noah becoming drunk and his sons backing in to cover his being naked? The one son mocked his father's nakedness. Evil was still around. 

[TheGloryLand]

25 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

I don't agree. Remember Noah becoming drunk and his sons backing in to cover his being naked? The one son mocked his father's nakedness. Evil was still around. 

Yes, they did sin after the flood. But sin and evil the same thing, In the ark was evil and sin?

[Rebecca]

11 minutes ago, TheGloryLand said:

Yes, they did sin after the flood. But sin and evil the same thing, In the ark was evil and sin?

We do not know what their daily lives were like while living on the ark during the flood. What discussions they had, what arguments they had, etc.  I can't believe that not one of the people on the ark didn't sin one time in the 40 days and nights before the waters receded.  

Edited December 13, 2023 by Rebecca

[TheGloryLand]

14 minutes ago, Rebecca said:

We do not know what their daily lives were like while living on the ark during the flood. What discussions they had, what arguments they had, etc.  I can't believe that not one of the people on the ark didn't sin one time in the 40 days and nights before the waters receded.  

True, they had their sin nature. But there was no evil souls or evil doers aboard. Yes sinner aboard, but not evil, or Satan, for God was with them. I was ask, if there was ever peace on earth after Adam sin. I said the flood, those in the ark had peace.

Edited December 13, 2023 by TheGloryLand

[HappyChristian]

The peace that we have does not rest in the absence of evil, but rather in the Person of Jesus Christ. As has been mentioned, troubled times (evil times) have existed since sin entered the world. Mankind became sinners, and the world was cursed. We still live in a cursed world, with sinners (ourselves as well as others). Sin is evil.  We too often rationalize sin, but sin is evil. Both Noah's actions and Ham's actions after the flood show that sin/evil is ever with us, whether we are able to commit acts of sin or not. 

I would imagine that there were arguments/disagreements while on the ark. Because all 8 of the folks on board were human and sinners. As was said, we do not know what happened while they were on the ark.

While we do live in a cursed world, I believe there have been times when evil has been more rampant than at other times. Jesus Himself mentioned "as the days of Noah" as a comparison of the absolute evil that would run amok before Jesus returns. I believe evil will grow and spread and become worse and worse the closer to Christ's return we get...and that because Christians will get more and more apathetic.

The thing is, TGL, even with God in our lives, there is trouble. Because of sin. Trouble can be various things: ill health, persecution (think of the persecuted churches...they have God with them, and yet they are always in danger of persecution and even death). God can and does often protect, but peace, again, rests in Christ, not the absence of trouble/sin/evil.

[BrotherTony]

5 hours ago, TheGloryLand said:

Yes, they did sin after the flood. But sin and evil the same thing, In the ark was evil and sin?

We don't know. The Bible doesn't say. Being fallen human beings, though, it's a pretty good guess that there was sin of some sort. The fallen human nature was still there.

Edited December 13, 2023 by BrotherTony