Bible version debates or discussions

[John81]

I've seen MV's confuse people, when we are reading from the Bible and their MV does not have the same thing in it. That person wanted to know why his was different. We told him, he said this is confusing me, I'll get rid of this NIV and next week I will have a KJ Bible so that I don't get so confused. He did, that was the end of that confusion.

I've seen this happen many times.

We encountered similar problems in some early Bible studies we had in university. Most who joined our Bible study were weak or new Christians, several we had just helped come out of Catholicism, so when they would come to Bible study they would bring whatever Bible they had.

At one time we had folks in our Bible study with KJB, NASB, NIV, Catholic Bible and even one guy with whatever Bible the Orthodox use! Not to mention a few other versions that would show up from time to time.

It didn't take long to see the problems this brought up! Time and again as we finished our Scripture reading for that night and were ready to study and discuss the Scripture we would be interrupted by the fact that some of the versions just didn't match what was read. This caused great confusion for the new and weak Christians and took time away from moving beyond the milk of the Word and getting them into the meat of the Word.

Eventually a friend and I bought several Bibles to give to the members of our Bible Study who had MVs and to keep on hand for others who might show up with MVs.

[Guest Guest]

I gotta say, if you are gonna argue Bible versions, do it with believers! Unbelievers don't understand spiritual things!! An unbeliever can get saved by the corrupt translations just as well as by the KJV. However, the corrupt translations do hinder growth and will leave most readers confused at the contradictions that exist only in those and not in the KJV. Don't try to teach an unsaved person anything but how to be saved. If they don't believe in Christ there is no point in argueing Bible Versions.

*Steps off his soapbox* :lol

Wow I'm glad that not everyone has the attitude you do, or I might not be saved today. God had to show me which was His Word before I could be saved because I grew up in a wide range of churches with a wide range of Bible versions, all of which said different things. I had to know which was the authority before I could believe that authority.

[HappyChristian]

I personally believe that anyone can get saved using any version that points out that Christ is the only way of salvation. While I believe that the KJB is the Bible for english-speaking people, I do believe that the other versions contain the Word of God.

As far as growing in Christ with what version - I had a friend in college who used the RSV...and she was a pretty mature Christian. She loved the Lord and was faithful in serving Him.

I don't like other versions, I am KJB. But I wouldn't tell someone they weren't right with God if they had another one. I wouldn't debate it, either. I have taught people about it and have seen them turn to only the KJB, but it hasn't been through debate. Debate turns to argument and I don't believe that glorifies God.

As far as discussing it with an unsaved person, I would have to say it depends on the person. If someone attends a Christian school all of their lives, and yet isn't saved, they know what the Bible teaches (granted, from a lost person's perspective) and they can understand the truth of where our Bible comes from. I realize they don't understand spiritual things, but they can understand history.

MrsW said that her salvation hinged greatly on the KJB - and I think this shows that a lost person can understand some things . The Holy Spirit reveals things to them. Each person comes to Christ through the way in which the Holy Spirit woos them. Whether that is through learning about the KJB and then salvation verses, or using a version that at least points to Christ.

Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying...I am KJB. But the Lord uses the foolishness of this world to confound the wise...and He can use another version to win the lost to Him.

[John81]

I personally believe that anyone can get saved using any version that points out that Christ is the only way of salvation. While I believe that the KJB is the Bible for english-speaking people, I do believe that the other versions contain the Word of God.

As far as growing in Christ with what version - I had a friend in college who used the RSV...and she was a pretty mature Christian. She loved the Lord and was faithful in serving Him.

I don't like other versions, I am KJB. But I wouldn't tell someone they weren't right with God if they had another one. I wouldn't debate it, either. I have taught people about it and have seen them turn to only the KJB, but it hasn't been through debate. Debate turns to argument and I don't believe that glorifies God.

As far as discussing it with an unsaved person, I would have to say it depends on the person. If someone attends a Christian school all of their lives, and yet isn't saved, they know what the Bible teaches (granted, from a lost person's perspective) and they can understand the truth of where our Bible comes from. I realize they don't understand spiritual things, but they can understand history.

MrsW said that her salvation hinged greatly on the KJB - and I think this shows that a lost person can understand some things . The Holy Spirit reveals things to them. Each person comes to Christ through the way in which the Holy Spirit woos them. Whether that is through learning about the KJB and then salvation verses, or using a version that at least points to Christ.

Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying...I am KJB. But the Lord uses the foolishness of this world to confound the wise...and He can use another version to win the lost to Him.

When I was saved the only Bible I had was the RSV. I'm not sure what Bible the Assembly of God church I was attending with a girlfriend at the time used. I know several people who were saved while reading MVs.

For myself, I remained a rather weak and leaning towards legalism Christian until I was led to the KJB. Once I started reading the KJB the Holy Ghost really opened my understanding and my growth in the Lord amazed me.

Also, for myself, memorizing Scripture from the MVs was near impossible for me but with the KJB it's almost easy.

[Jerry]

Don't know if you all are aware of this but thought I'd add it just in case: The Anglican Church (which produced the KJV) now uses the New Revised Standered Version' date=' which is a revisitation to the text used in translating the KJV. The only difference is that they have updated the language from Elizabethan to modern and corrected any of the mistakes in translation which they discovered post printing of the KJV. In any event, the NRSV has footnotes which tell if there is any other translation which may come from another ancient text. If you haven't seen one, I would highly suggest it.[/quote']

The NRSV is in no way an updated KJV - it is based on other texts, and is an attempt to put a Bible together for liberals. It is gender neutral in many places - plus having all the other standard changed passages that you will find in every modern version.

[ptwild]

The NRSV is in no way an updated KJV - it is based on other texts' date=' and is an attempt to put a Bible together for liberals.[/quote']

It is based verse for verse on the KJV. It does use other text, but only in footnotes. "Put together for liberals?" I know that's just your opinion, but I'm just curious as to how you came to that conclusion. Do you believe that "liberal" is a buzzword that you can use to describe anything that you don't agree with or like?

[JerryNumbers]

The NRSV is for the liberals, that is the opinion of this Jerry.

[Timothy]

Back to the original poll. I don't know: If a person wasn't greatly opinionated, then talking about the topic with them might do some good, like a young Christian or something. If it was a gathering of people to discuss the superiority of MVs, then I wouldn't turn up

Some people even find that the KJV is the best translation completely on their own--I was greatly surprised when a Charismatic man came up to me and started to tell me just how accurate the KJV was, and about the terrible errors there were in the NIV!! I was a little dumb-struck I can tell you--this man trying to sell the KJV to me...

If someone would listen to me, then I'll gladly discuss Bible versions and the importance of the KJV--I love to do that.

[Jerry]

It is based verse for verse on the KJV. It does use other text' date=' but only in footnotes.[/quote']

Dream on - it is translated from the Westcott and Hort text and is an update of the Revised Standard Bible, not of the KJV.



Read the Preface or Foreward of that version - right there it tells you what types of people were involved. When you have Catholics and Jews (among other liberal denominations) involved in the translation of that version, then you are not going to get a solid product no matter how hard you try.

[ptwild]

Read the Preface or Foreward of that version - right there it tells you what types of people were involved. When you have Catholics and Jews (among other liberal denominations) involved in the translation of that version' date=' then you are not going to get a solid product no matter how hard you try.[/quote']

Might not be your point, but this statement seems to say that a person's intellect or translateing ability is deficient because of their religious or cultural background. I don't agree with Catholics as for as their doctrine goes, nor with Jews as to who the Messiah is, but I don't think that they are mentally or intellectually inferior.

[JerryNumbers]

Get real, Jerry is referring to their false teachings. not their mentally or intellectually inferior.

But of course the people who are lost surely could not translate the Bible.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
1 Cor 2:14-16 (KJV)

They do not have the Holy Spirit to guide them to the truths.

[John81]

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