Brazilian tribe

[Anon]

No! I was just meaning that if they got saved, it would result in a change of lifestyle...but outside of that they can live as they please.

[Kayla]

The way the sentence was presented it seemed like that is what you were stating. I was shocked that you would say something like that, which is why I asked. Thank you for clarification. :smile

[JerryNumbers]

No, but in that type of culture a old man is 40 years old or so. They suffer from many diseases and have very high mortality... Not to mention no chance to hear the gospel... The scientists only wish them to remain in that state so that they can "study" them as if they were monkeys... Not much different than the days when they put pygmies in zoos for "scientific purposes". Only difference is, now, they want to observe them in their "natural habitat".

Your right, they want to protect them for only one reason, and its treating them like a bunch of animals.

The one main thing they need is Jesus, but seems some surely want to protect them from anything that night make the least bit of change in them.

Can y'all imagine any Christian that woudl think they don't need Jesus?

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Romans 10:14 (KJV)

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matt 28:18-20 (KJV)

[qwerty guy]

Lol. Who said anything about people's "rights" ???

Weird that my quotes appear in the very same post that I'm misquoted.

[Kayla]

It seems as if it was implied considering the fact that you said that they "suffer" from not having these things. Kitagrl was the one used the term rights in the first place I was running off her post more than yours. I do find it odd that you are speaking about their medical and dental needs before you speak of their greatest need, the spiritual.

[qwerty guy]

and I'm fired upon again......... awesome........

as I tend not to reduce everything to a 1st grade christian sunday school argument, I guess I must say I'm sorry to all you for not stating the obvious and insulting your intellect in such a matter. I will, upon this correction, make sure to only speak at only the ground level of christianity.

Oh, except that wasn't what I was doing at all. WHOOPS! I was articulating the view of the secular world, and the very twisted and backward logic which they hold too. These same people who hold their trust in science, humanism, and co-exist bumper stickers, are the same ones condemning these people on a secular level of poverty and disease.

Thanks for playing though.

[Anon]

and I'm fired upon again......... awesome........

as I tend not to reduce everything to a 1st grade christian sunday school argument, I guess I must say I'm sorry to all you for not stating the obvious and insulting your intellect in such a matter. I will, upon this correction, make sure to only speak at only the ground level of christianity.

Oh, except that wasn't what I was doing at all. WHOOPS! I was articulating the view of the secular world, and the very twisted and backward logic which they hold too. These same people who hold their trust in science, humanism, and co-exist bumper stickers, are the same ones condemning these people on a secular level of poverty and disease.

Thanks for playing though.

I thought you were! That's why I said "Are you being sarcastic?"

[Kayla]

and I'm fired upon again......... awesome........

as I tend not to reduce everything to a 1st grade christian sunday school argument, I guess I must say I'm sorry to all you for not stating the obvious and insulting your intellect in such a matter. I will, upon this correction, make sure to only speak at only the ground level of christianity.

Oh, except that wasn't what I was doing at all. WHOOPS! I was articulating the view of the secular world, and the very twisted and backward logic which they hold too. These same people who hold their trust in science, humanism, and co-exist bumper stickers, are the same ones condemning these people on a secular level of poverty and disease.

Thanks for playing though.

It is hard to know the point of some posts just by reading what some have written. If you were speaking of humanists then you should have said so in the first place. I thought you were a humanist from reading your post, which I thought was highly strange from reading your posts in other threads. I am sorry for misunderstanding your post, sarcasm isn't the easy thing to portray in words.

[Alimantado]

Revelation3:20, where are you getting your quotes in your last post? I would love to know, because I can't find them anywhere in any news stories about the tribe, or on the website of FUNAI, who took the pictures.

John, you're a strange one. So often when articles are posted on here you shout out loud for people not to be reactionary but instead wait for all the evidence. Yet here you seem to have your mind fully made up about the individuals working for FUNAI and Survival International, two of the organisations involved in 'protecting' these people.

Here's what they say for themselves:

"There are more than one hundred uncontacted tribes worldwide, with more than half living in either Brazil or Peru. All are in grave danger of being forced off their land, killed and decimated by new diseases. Survival has launched an urgent campaign to get their land protected..."

http://www.survival-international.org/news/3340

Now I completely understand the Christian motive for wanting to convert these people, and how a non-Christian group could be accused of not wanting to show the tribe the Gospel, but that's a whole different argument to accusing the employees/volunteers of FUNAI and Survival International of wanting to keep the people isolated in order to study them "...as if they were monkeys." Their website doesn't say that this is their motive, and I don't suppose you have inside info on the people working for these organisations, so are you sure what you are saying about them is fair?

[Revelation3:20]

Revelation3:20, where are you getting your quotes in your last post? I would love to know, because I can't find them anywhere in any news stories about the tribe, or on the website of FUNAI, who took the pictures.

Your right, they are not going to come out and say that, that is why I put it in quotes, It was inferred from a few statements in this article: http://news.wired.com/dynamic/stories/B/BRAZIL_INDIANS?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


"Anthropologists have known about the group for some 20 years but released the images now to call attention to fast-encroaching development near the Indians' home in the dense jungles near Peru."

Knowing what a Anthropologist does I inferred they were studying them. Further statements would also indicate that. Scientists often keep secret the locations of small populations of endangered species to protect and study them. This is right on pattern for what we would expect a scientist to do if it was a rare animal they were dealing with.


"Brazilian officials once tried to contact such groups. Now they try to protectively isolate them. The four tribes monitored by Meirelles include perhaps 500 people who roam over an area of about 1.6 million acres (630,000 hectares). He said that over the 20 years he has been working in the area, the number of "malocas," or grass-roofed huts, has doubled, suggesting that the policy of isolation is working and that populations are growing. Remaining isolated, however, gets more complicated by the day."


Again, right on pattern, this is language is very similar to what they use when speaking of endangered species. The whole tone sounds like they are animals... but you are right, they certainly wouldn't say that, they will just treat them like it.

[JerryNumbers]

If they have known about them for some 20 years, why have they never been contacted?

[Alimantado]

Jerry, according to the article Revelation3:20 cites, many of them have. 'Uncontacted' is a misleading word, it seems. These are two paragraphs that appear immediately before the one he chose to quote:

"Anthropologists say almost all of these tribes know about western civilization and have sporadic contact with prospectors, rubber tappers and loggers, but choose to turn their backs on civilization, usually because they have been attacked."

"It's a choice they made to remain isolated or maintain only occasional contacts, but these tribes usually obtain some modern goods through trading with other Indians," said Bernardo Beronde, an anthropologist who works in the region."

It would be easy to come up with a conspiracy theory that proposes the above statements are lies to conceal an agenda of studying these people "...as if they were monkeys," and I couldn't prove that wasn't the case. But it certainly seems to be true that contact with these people often comes hand-in-hand with murder, theft of land and resources, and exposure to western diseases.

http://www.survival-international.org/c ... dotheyhide

"One famous incident, the 1963 ?massacre of the 11th parallel?, took place in the headwaters of the Aripuan

[JerryNumbers]

One article seems to say a few of them have not been contacted by civilized man.

I know little about the region, so I'm a bit ignorant about things around there, that I will fully admit.

But I would assume they might fight those who are trying to inhabit their territory and or destroy their home land.

As for the anthropologists' I don't have much respect for them, nor those who dig in ancient burial grounds to study people from years gone by. I know they will hide many of their studies and facts from fear of others coming to it and destroying it before they can do their studies and or from blocking them from studying what they find.

I firmly think man ought to leave "ALL" burial grounds completely alone and undisturbed except for maintaining them as they found them. Not to do this shows no respect for those who lived before us on this earth.

Besides that, I don't trust their studies to be accurate, if they were they would never claim the earth is millions of years old which goes against what God tells us within His Word, The Holy Bible, after all I trust it over what any man will claim.

[HappyChristian]

Isn't it something, though, that nowadays, looking at our modern culture, there are tribes like this that exist? I find that utterly fascinating. And really can't blame them if they have chosen to remain away from civilization. I think it would be great if missionaries could reach them with the gospel.

[JerryNumbers]

I wonder if they had enough information to make such a decision.

It surprises me to that they are still out there.

And I must say this, would modern civilization truly be the best thing that could happen to them? But what is civilization, a way to make man lust for that which he does not have and much of it is unneeded, not necessary to sustain his life. Civilization has spoiled us rotten. Are people really happier today that these people are? They don't worry about the price of a gallon of gasoline, a gallon of milk and neither are they having a negative impact on this world. Maybe they're the ones who are best off.
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Gen 3:18-19 (KJV)

They're still fighting sweat and thistles in order to eat bread. Perhaps they depend on God for rain in order to have their basic needs, which is probably about all they have. They don't have to worry about someone stealing their money and sending them off into a life of poverty.