Textual/version stance

[Salyan]

I was just thinking about locking this poll... the dialogue has been getting a [i]little[/i] too personal. Maybe I'll hold off on it for a bit. If anyone has anything NEW to say, please add it! Please, no more about the opinions of certain men ([i]whoever[/i] they might be).

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(Of course, I might lock it a bit later just for the fun of it! :frog )

[Guest Guest]

[quote="Bakershalfdozen"]So you say.[/quote]

Bakershalfdozen, why don't you explain or post your definition of "inspiration" so we can discuss that, as it is tied right into the textual/version issue of the topic? I can post the Bible definition again, if you would like, though my husband and I have discussed this and defined it multiple times without any acceptance from the mainstream community here.

[Guest Guest]

[quote="Bakershalfdozen"]So you say.[/quote]

Bakershalfdozen...I don't say this, nor does man. The Lord Jesus Christ, does. That is made "perfectly" clear to me in the KJVO. No one has EVER been able to dispute this...EVER. :thumb If you want to argue with God, then, have at it. I am going to take Him at His word. :Bible:

[Pastor Matt]

[quote="KJB_Princess"]Looks like this topic's gonna be locked pretty soon. Happens every time.[/quote]
I know that was a little jab, but it got me thinking, and I did a little research. Sure enough, more posters lock threads than Mods do.

[HappyChristian]

[quote="candlelight"][quote="Bakershalfdozen"]So you say.[/quote]

Bakershalfdozen...I don't say this, nor does man. The Lord Jesus Christ, does. That is made "perfectly" clear to me in the KJVO. No one has EVER been able to dispute this...EVER. :thumb If you want to argue with God, then, have at it. I am going to take Him at His word. :Bible:[/quote]
Huh?

[Guest Guest]

[quote="Bakershalfdozen"]Candlelight, what else is there to say? Really? The poll tells us how people believe. After 26 pages, if we haven't learned something new then we probably won't. This discussion will continue in the same manner that it already has here and in other threads.

Some people believe in a directly-inspired translation, as in God breathed again in 1611. While this has no Biblical or logical basis, it is accepted by "faith".

Still others believe in preservation as the result of inspiration. God promised to preserve His Word. He didn't promise to reinspire it every time a better translation came along. This too is accepted by faith in what God has promised regarding preservation.

Some people hold to a textual line as being God's preserved line. This is accepted by faith in what God has promised regarding preservation.

Some people believe that God has preserved His Word in many different places and many different translations. This is accepted by faith in what God has promised regarding preservation.[/quote]


Well, as far as this thread? I am confused. :puzzled: My head is spinning with all this nastiness about men of God. My pastor always tells us that Satan is looming in the distance getting a kick out of this (when Christians of like faith argue, that is.) Also, when men become well-known, such as Dr. Hyles and Dr. Ruckman they are always subjected to criticism...which the Devil loves, as well. Shouldn't we just forget about this argument about these men? Jesus isn't glorified and honored in any of this. :smile I have never said one thing disrespectful about either of them. I didn't/don't know them on a personal level. This just isn't right, IMO.

[Guest Guest]

[quote="HappyChristian"][quote="candlelight"][quote="Bakershalfdozen"]So you say.[/quote]

Bakershalfdozen...I don't say this, nor does man. The Lord Jesus Christ, does. That is made "perfectly" clear to me in the KJVO. No one has EVER been able to dispute this...EVER. :thumb If you want to argue with God, then, have at it. I am going to take Him at His word. :Bible:[/quote]
Huh?[/quote]

There is plenty of information out there about man "trying" to prove that the KJVO is not the pure word of God...and, he can't. I still can't believe this is a Baptist, KJV board. Huh?

[HappyChristian]

[quote="candlelight"][quote="HappyChristian"][quote="candlelight"][quote="Bakershalfdozen"]So you say.[/quote]

Bakershalfdozen...I don't say this, nor does man. The Lord Jesus Christ, does. That is made "perfectly" clear to me in the KJVO. No one has EVER been able to dispute this...EVER. :thumb If you want to argue with God, then, have at it. I am going to take Him at His word. :Bible:[/quote]
Huh?[/quote]

There is plenty of information out there about man "trying" to prove that the KJVO is not the pure word of God...and, he can't. I still can't believe this is a Baptist, KJV board. Huh?[/quote]
Sorry if I offended you with my "huh?" I really didn't know what you meant by your response to Bakers. No-one here is trying to disprove the KJB. You said in the earlier post here that Jesus Christ says this...my "huh?" was directed at that. What does He say and where does He say it? Please don't go off and think I'm anti-KJB. I'm not. My stand is the same as BroMatt, Bakers, Jerry, Jerry8, etc. I'm just curious as to what Jesus said about it, that's all.

[Bakershalfdozen]

[quote="KJB_Princess"]Bakershalfdozen, why don't you explain or post your definition of "inspiration"...

I can post the Bible definition again, if you would like, though my husband and I have discussed this and defined it multiple times without any acceptance from the mainstream community here.[/quote]


How do you know "my" definition isn't the Bible definition? :saint

Sure, I'll play along. I'll give the Greek word and its definition (which should be sufficient because our KJV N.T. was translated from Greek; it really didn't fall out of the sky) and you'll reject that because you don't do Greek and proceed to tell me about the verse in Job which is the only other use of the English word, "inspiration" (which has nothing to do with inspiration or preservation of the Scriptures) and so on.

Nah.

See, I told ya we should start numbering these discussions. :lol:

[Guest Guest]

[quote="HappyChristian"][quote="candlelight"][quote="HappyChristian"][quote="candlelight"][quote="Bakershalfdozen"]So you say.[/quote]

Bakershalfdozen...I don't say this, nor does man. The Lord Jesus Christ, does. That is made "perfectly" clear to me in the KJVO. No one has EVER been able to dispute this...EVER. :thumb If you want to argue with God, then, have at it. I am going to take Him at His word. :Bible:[/quote]
Huh?[/quote]

There is plenty of information out there about man "trying" to prove that the KJVO is not the pure word of God...and, he can't. I still can't believe this is a Baptist, KJV board. Huh?[/quote]
Sorry if I offended you with my "huh?" I really didn't know what you meant by your response to Bakers. No-one here is trying to disprove the KJB. You said in the earlier post here that Jesus Christ says this...my "huh?" was directed at that. What does He say and where does He say it? Please don't go off and think I'm anti-KJB. I'm not. My stand is the same as BroMatt, Bakers, Jerry, Jerry8, etc. I'm just curious as to what Jesus said about it, that's all.[/quote]


LuAnne...My reason for saying Jesus says this is b/c man cannot dispute the KJVO stance. If man could, then Jesus would be wrong...and, He certainly isn't. My God is a gentleman...through and through. I take him at his word...the KJVO. I don't argue it b/c I don't doubt it.

[Guest Guest]

[quote="Bakershalfdozen"][quote="KJB_Princess"]Bakershalfdozen, why don't you explain or post your definition of "inspiration"...

I can post the Bible definition again, if you would like, though my husband and I have discussed this and defined it multiple times without any acceptance from the mainstream community here.[/quote]


How do you know "my" definition isn't the Bible definition? :saint

Sure, I'll play along. I'll give the Greek word and its definition (which should be sufficient because our KJV N.T. was translated from Greek; it really didn't fall out of the sky) and you'll reject that because you don't do Greek and proceed to tell me about the verse in Job which is the only other use of the English word, "inspiration" (which has nothing to do with inspiration or preservation of the Scriptures) and so on.

Nah.

See, I told ya we should start numbering these discussions. :lol:[/quote]

The only reason you don't want to accept the Bible's own definition of the word "inspiration" is because it doesn't fit your pre-conceived ideas of what Biblical inspiration is supposed to be.

If we just rely solely on the King James Bible to define itself, here's what we come up with:

First mention of inspiration in the Bible.
[i]Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the [b]inspiration of the Almighty[/b] giveth them understanding.[/i]

(notice: "inspiration of the Almighty" is the same as saying "inspiration of God".)

The only other mention of inspiration in the Bible.
[i]2 Timothy 3:16 [b]All scripture is given by inspiration of God[/b], and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:[/i]

The Bible tells us what the doctrine of inspiration is! It's understanding that God gives to men. The Bible tells us, plain and clear, that all Scripture is given by inspiration. It doesn't say the Bible is inspired. The King James Bible itself was not inspired, it was [b]given by inspiration[/b].

God keeps these things simple. We don't need a college education to understand Biblical inspiration. Anyone with a basic knowledge of English can read and learn from the King James Bible what inspiration is.

[HappyChristian]

[quote="candlelight"]LuAnne...My reason for saying Jesus says this is b/c man cannot dispute the KJVO stance. If man could, then Jesus would be wrong...and, He certainly isn't. My God is a gentleman...through and through. I take him at his word...the KJVO. I don't argue it b/c I don't doubt it.[/quote]
I understand that you don't doubt it. I don't use any MV's. I don't have any doubts as to the fact that the KJB is God's preserved Word for English speakin people. But I really don't understand this - you say Jesus says it because man can't argue it. Well, but they do. And they do have verses that they use, and they do have logic. I don't swallow it, please understand. My point in that is - if you say that Jesus says it, it has to be written somewhere -see what I mean? Someone who is trying to discredit the KJB would not be convinced by saying that Jesus says it because man can't dispute it. KWIM?

And please note - I am not arguing...this is just not a clear reasoning, to me anyway. Thanks.

[Bakershalfdozen]

[quote="KJB_Princess"]
The only reason you don't want to accept the Bible's own definition of the word "inspiration" is because it doesn't fit your pre-conceived ideas of what Biblical inspiration is supposed to be.

[/quote]


Please show me where I said I don't accept the Bible's own definition of the word "inspiration". I don't have a pre-conceived idea. A pre-conceived idea is an assumption w/o basis in fact. One day, someone showed me the facts. Voila! No more pre-conceived notions. I know what the Greek word is and I know what it means. I don't accept [u][b]your[/b][/u] definition. :smile

[Jerry]

Annie, I made a decision months ago to back off for a couple of days from threads and/or posters that bother/annoy me. Rather than getting in the flesh, I take a step back and wait for other people to respond first, as well as for time to pass to make sure I am not responding based on emotion. It has nothing to do with not being able to answer what is posted in a thread (though, granted, when a thread grows rapidly, it is easy to lose track of specific statements or questions sometimes).

Various times you have stated that you believe the KJV has contradictions and problems - and that is your justification for not being KJVOnly and for knocking those that are. I asked you to stop knocking the KJV without proof of those kind of errors. You are on a KJVonly message board - YOU CAME HERE TO US - it is up to you to back up your statements against our position, or basically quit rocking the boat. The Bible teaches that those who sow discord among the brethren are an abomination in God's eyes. If your division is caused by standing on truth, then I am sure that is where the Lord would have you stand; however, if your division is caused by parroting cliches and unproven statements, then you are sinning and God is not too happy with you.

Proverbs 6:16-19 [i][b]These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him[/b]: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and [b]he that soweth discord among brethren[/b].[/i]

[Guest Guest]

[quote="Jerry"]Annie, I made a decision months ago to back off for a couple of days from threads and/or posters that bother/annoy me. Rather than getting in the flesh, I take a step back and wait for other people to respond first, as well as for time to pass to make sure I am not responding based on emotion. It has nothing to do with not being able to answer what is posted in a thread (though, granted, when a thread grows rapidly, it is easy to lose track of specific statements or questions sometimes).

Various times you have stated that you believe the KJV has contradictions and problems - and that is your justification for not being KJVOnly and for knocking those that are. I asked you to stop knocking the KJV without proof of those kind of errors. You are on a KJVonly message board - YOU CAME HERE TO US - it is up to you to back up your statements against our position, or basically quit rocking the boat. The Bible teaches that those who sow discord among the brethren are an abomination in God's eyes. If your division is caused by standing on truth, then I am sure that is where the Lord would have you stand; however, if your division is caused by parroting cliches and unproven statements, then you are sinning and God is not too happy with you.

Proverbs 6:16-19 [i][b]These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him[/b]: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and [b]he that soweth discord among brethren[/b].[/i][/quote]

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