The Tithe, for the Church or not?

[Invicta]

Sad thing is many saints believe what they have been taught because it has been taught by many trusted teachers,not realising that it is the doctrine of man, they then try to make the scripture agree with what they have been taught because those who taught them, they believe, could not be wrong.

[No Nicolaitans]

I listened to a sermon this morning from James Scudder called "Giving isn't what you think it is". I thought, "Hmmm...maybe this will be worth listening to." It was actually a video of their church service from Nov. 15...and it started off bad...with them reminding and encouraging people to fill out their "Firstfruits Cards". The singing and music was wonderful. Then the sermon was about tithing. Not sure how the title fit in with the sermon...

 

[Genevanpreacher]

 

On 11/22/2015, 7:18:51, Alan said:

Is not one time enough for you? Some of God's saints are quite willing to accept the word of God on any subject only once to accept it as fact, or as a standard of practice, unless written otherwise. No, you want the scriptures to answer your questions your way and your method. Only a person of pride, or ignorance, demands scripture to answer a persons questions the way the questioner asks the question.

I was always taught, when under another Pastor, that subjects had to be mentioned at least 2 times, if not possibly 3 times, before any decision of doctrine were to be established.

I was taught that you can't make a doctrinal decision based on one mention of it in scripture.

Good thing you said "Some of God's saints..."

Edited November 28, 2015 by Genevanpreacher

[Genevanpreacher]

On 11/25/2015, 6:14:38, Alan said:

Invicta,

Here is my original post. It is very obvious that Abraham freely gave a tithe to Melchizedek our of his own volition and not in any response to any law requiring tithes. Abraham purposed in his heart and cheerfully gave. In our day and  age, it is the same.  If a person wants to give a tithe of his money, as Abraham did, than that it is his choice.

For anybody to say, if they want to give a tithe, that giving a tithe of money is unbiblical, than that person has privately interpreted the scripturers.

A tithe is just 10 percent of anything: money, agricultural products, possessions, fruit, etc... If you read the Old Testament very carefully, the Law, you will notice that not in on instance did God say, or allude to, "The tithe is only for agricultural products." For an individual to say so is a deliberate perverting of the word of God. Agricultural products, and the fruit of the land, was in addition to the money paid as a tithe.

Standing firm in Christ is not correct in his interpretation of the widow and her mites, Abraham and in the blanket condemnation of pastors in the independent baptist churches en masse. Standing firm in Christ is also, like a Pharisee, is judging anybody who gives a tithe and offering and has already judged, like the widow and her mites, that they are coerced into giving  by the pastors and are being robbed.

Wowee Alan!! Feeling a bit 'under the gun' here? Here you go again!

When anyone disagrees with Alan, be sure he will say these words...eventually.

For once - way to go SFIC. Join the ranks of others who 'get it' from Alan.

 

[Jim_Alaska]

1 hour ago, Genevanpreacher said:

Wowee Alan!! Feeling a bit 'under the gun' here? Here you go again!

When anyone disagrees with Alan, be sure he will say these words...eventually.

For once - way to go SFIC. Join the ranks of others who 'get it' from Alan.

 

Remember what "Thumper's" mother used to say; "if you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all."

[Invicta]

For a pastor to know if you tithe or not, he will not only need to know how much you give, but also how much you earn.  How will he know that?

[Standing Firm In Christ]

For a pastor to convince me that I am required to tithe my monetary income, that pastor will need to provide Scriptural proof that it is required.

 

In 27 years of challenging pastors to produce Scripture commanding or instructing the monetary tithe, none have provided said Scripture.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2015 by Standing Firm In Christ

[Critical Mass]

On 11/28/2015, 7:13:33, Standing Firm In Christ said:

For a pastor to convince me that I am required to tithe my monetary income, that pastor will need to provide Scriptural proof that it is required.

 

In 27 years of challenging pastors to produce Scripture commanding or instructing the monetary tithe, none have provided said Scripture.

 

 

You are really on a crusade with this issue. Did some pastor rip you off?

Edited November 30, 2015 by Critical Mass

[Standing Firm In Christ]

11 hours ago, Critical Mass said:

You are really on a crusade with this issue. Did some pastor ripe you off?

Not since 1988.  LoL

 

However, there are thousands upon thousands who do get 'ripped off' by their pastors each year.  

 

The sad thing is, so many because of not knowing what God's Word says about His holy tithe, gladly accept the request for the counterfeit tithe that is preached to them.

Edited November 29, 2015 by Standing Firm In Christ

[Invicta]

There are some who could not afford to pay a tythe.  I am thing of a poor pensioner  with very little income who still has to pay bills and in the winter has to choose it they should buy food or pay heating bills.  

[Standing Firm In Christ]

27 minutes ago, Invicta said:

There are some who could not afford to pay a tythe.  I am thing of a poor pensioner  with very little income who still has to pay bills and in the winter has to choose it they should buy food or pay heating bills.  

You are correct, Invicta.  The monetary tithe requirement does not consider the plight of the poor.  

Proverbs 22:16 (KJV) 16 He that oppresseth the poor to increase his [riches, and] he that giveth to the rich, [shall] surely [come] to want.

Proverbs 22:22 (KJV) 22 Rob not the poor, because he [is] poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate:

Proverbs 22:23 (KJV) 23 For the LORD will plead their cause, and spoil the soul of those that spoiled them.

Malachi 3:5 (KJV) 5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in [his] wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger [from his right], and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

Proverbs 29:7 (KJV) 7 The righteous considereth the cause of the poor: [but] the wicked regardeth not to know [it].

Edited November 29, 2015 by Standing Firm In Christ

[Genevanpreacher]

13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men andbrethren, hearken unto me:

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas;namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:

31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.

[Genevanpreacher]

The Law pertains to no man now. All saved are the same as verse 14 above states, he made his people from the gentiles anyway.

Not that we can murder and steal and such, but Christ has fulfilled the Law, in all ways, and we do obey the moral Law out of love for the Lord.

The support of the 'ministry' is encouraged, in the text of my Bible, in this way -  

"Let him that is taught in the word, make him that hath taught him, partaker of all his goods."

That is Galatians 6:6. You would recognise it this way -

"Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things."

It has been stated that I and others who follow the CT view have a hard time with not believing right about this.

Sorry. I do.

Edited December 7, 2015 by Genevanpreacher

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Since the monetary tithe requirement is totally foreign to God's Holy Word, this picture holds a powerful truth.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUdcnOuMRi4

Edited December 30, 2015 by Standing Firm In Christ