What Do You Think The "kingdom Of God" Is?

[No Nicolaitans]

  It should be said, that God is not done with the 'house of Israel'. Jews only comprised the tribes of Judah and some of the other two tribes that went with them during the seperation of Israel into the Northern Kingdom and the Southern Kingdom. That is when they were termed 'Jews'. Today people get mixed up and confuse the two. So when, today, someone refers to themselves as 'a Jew' I want to ask, which tribe, because most Christians refer to any of the people of Israel as Jews, when it comes to the biblical people. They are not. They are Israelites. 

 

What about all of the references to Jew(s) in the New Testament? Are all of those only referring to the tribes of the Kingdom of Judah?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[John81]

We also shouldn't forget that a good number of those from the 10 tribes of the Northern Kingdom who were already in what became the Southern Kingdom chose to stay there while others chose to move there. These were eventually blended in with the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. As well, many Levites were in the Southern Kingdom and many more moved there when the Northern Kingdom expelled them from their positions and put base men in their place and had two golden idols set up.

 

It might also be considered that when someone converted to Judaism, they were then considered to be a Jew. So, while there are various use of the term "Jew", and various racial/ethnic aspects as well as religious, Jews by race/ethnicity and Jews by religion were/are considered to be Jews.

 

If there is any distinction God makes, He can and will do so in accord with His will and timing.

[DaveW]

David was king over all Israel - Our Lord will sit on the throne of David - not just two tribes, but all twelve tribes.

[ASongOfDegrees]

I agree with you Genevanpreacher.  However, Covenanter has a prOBlem with the Jews.  It is evident in his posts.  A moderator defended him by bringing up something he said about Jews coming to know Jesus Christ as Personal Saviour, by grace.  It is the only rational thing he has said on OB regarding the Jews.  It was a huge stretch, though.  He has a strong dislike for them, and all Jews (by birth) are offended by his comments about them.  When approaching a Jew, with regards to salvation, it is difficult.  However, I know a few who have come to the saving knowledge of Christ.  I thought the unsaved had prOBlems with the Jews.  I didn't know that a Christian could have such issues with them, though.  I have been doing a little study on Calvinism.  I don't like what I am seeing.  Please look up Preterism, and let me know what you have discovered, please.  It is reminding me too much of my RC upbringing.  And, most Christians know how the Vatican uses and abuses the Jewish people.  The pope is still trying to get his paws on Jerusalem.  The Vatican believes they are they are God's chosen people.  It is sickening.  Calvinism is running a close second to the RCC in their theology on this.  It pains me to see this garbage on a Christian site.  

You can always count on Covenantor and Invicta to show up and do some Jew bashing. The only threads they really ever comment on are ones that have to do with eschatology and the nation of Israel.

 

Replacement Theology has prOBably led to more deaths of Jew and Gentile than any other false doctrine since the time of Christ. I would place it even about the heresy of baptismal regeneration because at least that heresy never influenced political policy. 

[Steve Schwenke]

I can't get my article to paste here, so I have attached it.

This article is written in an attempt to give my beliefs on the issue.  Any honest questions are welcome.  All other counter-arguments by those who like to cause division will be ignored.

 

 

 

 

Is there a difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven.docx

[HappyChristian]

You can always count on Covenantor and Invicta to show up and do some Jew bashing. 

Enough of that type of rabble rousing.  Back to the topic.

[Steve Schwenke]

Rabble rousing?  It seems to me that the real "rabble rousers" are the ones who are allowed to promote the heresy of preterism and covenant theology.  Differences of opinion on dispensationalism is one thing, but preterism is another thing altogether.  On the other thread, two people went out of their way to bash dispensationalism with their "guilt by association" method, yet nothing was said about them. 

So where does that leave us?  Preterists and anti-dispensationalists can promote heresy and bash the rest of us, with no OBjection?  I don't get that.

 

My computer won't paste on this website, but the other topic was titled, "Baptist?" - see the second page.

[ASongOfDegrees]

Enough of that type of rabble rousing.  Back to the topic.

I'm amazed how you don't say one thing EVER against their rubbish, Happy. Maybe because you side with them on their heretical nonsense. I'm watching you rebuke folks for being contentious when they are CONTENDING for the truth! Yet, Covenantor and Invcita have had free range to bash the Jews for years now on this site. Shame on you!

 

And it is a MAJOR part of the topic. The kingdom CANNOT be discussed without the proper placement of the JEWS and that placement isn't on the permanent cursing list of God Almighty.

[HappyChristian]

I'm amazed how you don't say one thing EVER against their rubbish, Happy. Maybe because you side with them on their heretical nonsense. I'm watching you rebuke folks for being contentious when they are CONTENDING for the truth! Yet, Covenantor and Invcita have had free range to bash the Jews for years now on this site. Shame on you!

 

And it is a MAJOR part of the topic. The kingdom CANNOT be discussed without the proper placement of the JEWS and that placement isn't on the permanent cursing list of God Almighty.

Excuse me, but I have said something about it. Don't accuse me of what you don't know, ASOD. Contending does NOT include belittling, which you are very good at.  

 

No, accusing people of being anti-semitic is not a major part of the topic.  

 

Yes, rabble-rousing. 

[ASongOfDegrees]

Excuse me, but I have said something about it. Don't accuse me of what you don't know, ASOD. Contending does NOT include belittling, which you are very good at.  

 

No, accusing people of being anti-semitic is not a major part of the topic.  

 

Yes, rabble-rousing. 

I just asked Covenantor the other day in a thread if the Jews belonged in Palestine. Did you see his answer? This isn't the first time I've flushed him out either. The man would hand rocks to the Palestinians to throw at the Jews.  He is clearly antisemitic and that should be known because that is the motivation behind his posts. When he interjects his hatred for them into the topic then it is an issue.

[HappyChristian]

No, I didn't see his answer because I can't read every single post of every single thread, which is why we have more than one moderator.  If he is so flamingly anti-semitic, you wouldn't need to "flush him out."  

[Steve Schwenke]

From "Baptist?" thread - page two.

Swathdiver says, "There are still Ruckmanites here and those who hold to Scofield's nutty form of dispensationalism, which is really the same heretic camp." 

 

Yet no rebuke.

 

Prophet1 chimed in and said, "And Darby, who made up the pre-trib heresy, begat Scofield's nutty pre-trib and dispy heresey [sic]"

 

NO REBUKE. 

 

LuAnne, this is the thing that is driving some of us bonkers.  The mods jump on US, but seem to let all manner of attacks from them slide! 

It is very inconsistent, not to say disheartening to those of us who were raised in IFB churches who have been teaching something similar to what we are STILL TEACHING today.  Both of my Grandparents went to IFB schools in the 40's and 50's and both taught a mild form of dispensationalism, so it is nothing new to our ranks. 

 

But the point is that the preterists can call us HERETICS with no rebuke!!! I don't get that!

[HappyChristian]

Actually, I didn't see those 2 responses until you posted yours - and I felt that what you said was a pretty good rebuke, so didn't think I needed to add to it.  I honestly try to get as much as I can. But there is so much going on here right now and I can't keep up with it all.  Funny thing is, Swath isn't a preterist. He's a pre-tribber who doesn't agree with hyper-dispensation. So I don't think he was calling you a heretic.  But rather those who proclaim allllll kinds of different gospels.

[Steve Schwenke]

LuAnne, the difference is that when a mod does not rebuke something, then it is as if they have given their assent to it.  That is what I (and others) are seeing.  It is one thing for me to rebuke them, but my rebuke carries no "weight" because I am not a mod.  People stand up and pay attention when a Mod jumps in and scolds someone. 

 

Thus, the issue here seems to be a certain level of inconsistency, and it lends itself to the idea that the mods are not defending what I think most of us here would consider "sound doctrine."  Maybe it is a misunderstanding as to the purpose of the forum and the role of the Mods in the first place, but and IFB joining a forum that purports to be an IFB forum would expect some type of regulation that only allows gross heresy (such as preterism) to go so far....but that does not seem to be the case here, and it has not been for some time.  This is what is disheartening to some, and the reason why some have left.

 

Nothing personal in this toward you, just giving you my views....and if you want more, send me a PM...let's get back on topic here.

[heartstrings]

Where is the Kingdom of God?

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:21

 

What is the Kingdom of God?

...the kingdom of God is.......righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost." Romans 14:17