Kjvo And Original Languages

[Standing Firm In Christ]

If the Bible that leads one to christ presents a false christ, i.i.: lying christ, sinful christ, one who had no brothers and sisters, etc. then that one could not have been saved. A false christ hasn't the power to save... only to deceive.

[John81]

If one is presented the biblical Gospel of salvation it doesn't matter what Bible the presenter happens to be holding. If a persons hears the biblical Gospel and the Holy Ghost convicts them so that they are born gain, then they are born again in Christ.

 

As we've been over time and again, someone holding a wrong belief regarding Jesus doesn't create "another Jesus" or a "false Jesus", they simply have a misunderstanding or have been taught wrongly.

 

One can only be born again through the Holy Ghost, so anyone born again after hearing the Gospel presented through whatever version of Bible or through no use of the Bible at that time, is indeed born again in the One True Christ.

 

It's after one is born again that matters of growing in the Lord, learning to discern truth from error, maturing, understanding the Word comes into play as the Holy Ghost guides and teaches the new Christian.

[Nom de Plume]

If the Bible that leads one to christ presents a false christ, i.i.: lying christ, sinful christ, one who had no brothers and sisters, etc. then that one could not have been saved. A false christ hasn't the power to save... only to deceive.

Interesting. I thought that If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. That's out of the NLT by the way.

 

I didn't realize that belief in Jesus' brothers and sisters was a requirement for salvation. Where is that stated in the Bible?

 

I thought when I got saved in December of 1980 I was honestly saved. I believed I was a sinner headed for hell and it was only through Jesus Christ that I had any hope of salvation. I sincerely believed I was placing my trust in Jesus Christ for that salvation. You mean to tell me that because I used the NASB until 2001 I was never really saved until 2001? Should I be rebaptized then? My wife used the NIV until 2001. She must really be a heathen. Is there any hope for her?

 

You know what. Everyone is at a different place in there walk. Some people are convicted about certain things where some others are not. Some have learned about the inerrancy of the KJV, others have not quite gotten there yet. Some may never. Just like some Christians still put up Christmas trees or take their kids on Easter Egg Hunts. When I was a less mature Christian I went to Promise Keepers and listened to some of the more moderate CCM. There is a verse that expains my walk back then:

 

As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: (1 Peter 2:2)

 

I've done a lot of growing since that time and I've moved up to a more adult diet, but I do not begrudge my brothers and sisters in Christ who have not quite reached my level of discernment in this one area. You know why? Because I see where their Christian walk is much better than mine in other areas.

 

Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend. (Proverbs 27:17)

 

This verse wasn't put in the Bible to tell us we are all perfect. On the contrary it is there to show us we each need to be helping the other in our Christian walk.

 

Romans 14:1-23 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. 16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. 19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. 20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. 21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. 22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Many Bibles present a lying Jesus John 7:8-10

If one uses those Bibles in witnessing Christ, that one is presenting the Christ of that Bible... Not the true Christ.

You cannot point to Buffalo NY using a map of Protection, KS

Nor can you point one to the true Christ by using a Bible that only has a false Christ.

[Nom de Plume]

So what Bible versions MUST be used in order to bring a lost soul to Christ?

[DaveW]

I have enjoyed studying Romans 14 the past few weeks.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

So what Bible versions MUST be used in order to bring a lost soul to Christ?

Any that portray the true Christ.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Tell me, are the idolatrous Catholics saved? Don't they believe that Jesus died according to the Scrtures, was buried and rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, don't they?

Yet, the Jesus they believe in has no brothers or sisters, hAs a mother who remained the virgin she was before being overshadowed by the Holy Spirit.

But hey, they must all be saved. After all, they believe the basics.

Paul said if one brings another christ, people would bear with him.

It's happening

[candlelight]

Tell me, are the idolatrous Catholics saved? Don't they believe that Jesus died according to the Scrtures, was buried and rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, don't they?

Yet, the Jesus they believe in has no brothers or sisters, hAs a mother who remained the virgin she was before being overshadowed by the Holy Spirit.

But hey, they must all be saved. After all, they believe the basics.

Paul said if one brings another christ, people would bear with him.

It's happening

 The difference between the RC's is that they follow the man made words of the Vatican, and not the words in the Bible, SFIC.  They are notorious in pleasing family instead of Christ, as well.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

BINGO! Candlelight. And many of the christs in these modern versions are also "man-made".

[candlelight]

Sadly, the MV's are so messed up it is unreal.

[Nom de Plume]

Tell me, are the idolatrous Catholics saved? Don't they believe that Jesus died according to the Scrtures, was buried and rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, don't they?

Yet, the Jesus they believe in has no brothers or sisters, hAs a mother who remained the virgin she was before being overshadowed by the Holy Spirit.

But hey, they must all be saved. After all, they believe the basics.

Paul said if one brings another christ, people would bear with him.

It's happening

 

I would have to say that a person's salvation is between them and God. I was raised in a Catholic home and was forced to participate in all the Catholic rituals until I left home and  would have to say a great percentage certainly do not show the fruit of salvation. On the other hand I do know a few that certainly loved Jesus with all their heart and certainly lived that love of Christ. It is unfortunate that they were caught up in the Catholic system, but as anyone that has been there will attest, once a Catholic many will always be a Catholic and they are seldom if ever introduced to any other teaching. That is their circle of influence, and friendships and teaching.

 

Does that mean none of them could ever have been saved. I'm not ready to play God in that area. Personally I've known a pretty good number of Catholics that walk a Christian walk much better than many professed KJV only Christians. I do know a number of people that have been completely turned off by a supposed Christian's insistence that their mom or grandmother couldn't be in heaven because they were Catholic, when the Christian they are talking to doesn't have the love of Christ their mom or grandmother had in their pinky.

 

I will leave the judgment of real salvation to God and try to teach those I meet the truth as portrayed in the KJV Bible.

[candlelight]

I would have to say that a person's salvation is between them and God. I was raised in a Catholic home and was forced to participate in all the Catholic rituals until I left home and  would have to say a great percentage certainly do not show the fruit of salvation. On the other hand I do know a few that certainly loved Jesus with all their heart and certainly lived that love of Christ. It is unfortunate that they were caught up in the Catholic system, but as anyone that has been there will attest, once a Catholic many will always be a Catholic and they are seldom if ever introduced to any other teaching. That is their circle of influence, and friendships and teaching.

 

Does that mean none of them could ever have been saved. I'm not ready to play God in that area. Personally I've known a pretty good number of Catholics that walk a Christian walk much better than many professed KJV only Christians. I do know a number of people that have been completely turned off by a supposed Christian's insistence that their mom or grandmother couldn't be in heaven because they were Catholic, when the Christian they are talking to doesn't have the love of Christ their mom or grandmother had in their pinky.

 

I will leave the judgment of real salvation to God and try to teach those I meet the truth as portrayed in the KJV Bible.

 

I was raised in the RCC as well, Nom de Plume.  Growing up, I never saw the point of anything in the RCC.  As soon as I went into 9th grade in high school, I convinced my parents that I didn't need to go to the RCC for Mass, anymore.  Sadly, much of my family is caught in the sinister ways of the RCC.  When I first left teaching, I was volunteering in a nursing home.  A Roman Catholic woman, began screaming at me b/c I left the "Mother Church."  I went room to room, doing Bible studies with the elderly.  She didn't like it, and said she was better off following Rome.  To this day, two of my siblings, who are devout RCC, and a cousin, are trying to get me to come back to Roman Catholicism.  They claim I misunderstood everything.  While the Jews are known to abandon family members who leave Judaism, the Muslims murder those who leave Islam, the RCC never lets go.     

[Nom de Plume]

I was raised in the RCC as well, Nom de Plume.  Growing up, I never saw the point of anything in the RCC.  As soon as I went into 9th grade in high school, I convinced my parents that I didn't need to go to the RCC for Mass, anymore.  Sadly, much of my family is caught in the sinister ways of the RCC.  When I first left teaching, I was volunteering in a nursing home.  A Roman Catholic woman, began screaming at me b/c I left the "Mother Church."  I went room to room, doing Bible studies with the elderly.  She didn't like it, and said she was better off following Rome.  To this day, two of my siblings, who are devout RCC, and a cousin, are trying to get me to come back to Roman Catholicism.  They claim I misunderstood everything.  While the Jews are known to abandon family members who leave Judaism, the Muslims murder those who leave Islam, the RCC never lets go.     

 

I'm with you sister and I'm not arguing that the Catholic Church and most of what they teach is straight out of the pits of hell, but I'm not ready to convict every single member of that church to those same pits. Many are completely ignorant of most of what the RCC teaches. They just know they were born Catholic and they always will be Catholic.

 

I preach at a Senior Citizen home once a month and one of my most faithful attendees is a lady in her 90s that comes strolling in just after I show up with her walker which I call the popemOBile because it has a basket filled with all her RCC magazines and bulletins. I'll tell you what, that lady loves the Lord and she follows every word of my KJV messages with rapt attention nodding and amening all along the way. At the end of every sermon I give the gospel and I know she understands every word. At the end of every service she dutifully makes the sign of the cross, thanks me for coming and returns to her room. So am I to throw out this babe with the bath water. To be honest I think she understands the Gospel and that she is saved.

 

Another man from my church preaches there on every 4th Sunday as well as conducts a Bible study once a month and this dear old woman faithfully attends each time. This friend of mine also believes she is saved. This woman is 94 years old and all her life she has been ignorantly trapped in a religion with many false teachings, but despite that it seems apparent to my friend and I that she got the Gospel and has accepted Jesus as savior. There are many many bad teachings in the RCC, but the gospel is there for those that have an ear to hear, and I b elieve I have seen evidence of that.

 

You know, Romans 1 tells us that God's eternal power and Godhead will be understandable to even the heathen that has never heard the Gospel preached:

 

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

So am I to believe that salvation is available to the heathen but not to this woman simply because she got stuck in a bad church?

 

I do know that if you get into a Catholic's face pointing your finger you are going to lose your testimony and any chance of teaching that Catholic anything. And you prOBably hurt the chance of other, more loving Christians as well.

 

I don't know. Maybe some of you have been granted access to God's Book of Life, but I have not been given that privilege. I'll leave the question of salvation to God, all I can do is preach the word, witness to the best of my ability and trust in the Lord to do the rest.

 

God bless!

[swathdiver]

I preach at a Senior Citizen home once a month and one of my most faithful attendees is a lady in her 90s that comes strolling in just after I show up with her walker which I call the popemOBile because it has a basket filled with all her RCC magazines and bulletins. I'll tell you what, that lady loves the Lord and she follows every word of my KJV messages with rapt attention nodding and amening all along the way. At the end of every sermon I give the gospel and I know she understands every word. At the end of every service she dutifully makes the sign of the cross, thanks me for coming and returns to her room. So am I to throw out this babe with the bath water. To be honest I think she understands the Gospel and that she is saved.

 

Another man from my church preaches there on every 4th Sunday as well as conducts a Bible study once a month and this dear old woman faithfully attends each time. This friend of mine also believes she is saved. This woman is 94 years old and all her life she has been ignorantly trapped in a religion with many false teachings, but despite that it seems apparent to my friend and I that she got the Gospel and has accepted Jesus as savior. 

 

So what are you two waiting for?  Witness to the lady and find out.  If she leaves your service and goes back and prays to the pope and mary she's in trouble.  I know plenty of people with a head knowledge of God and Christ and they also show love and reverence but when you witness to them, it's work, work and  more work to get to heaven.  They doomed as well as this lady might be.