tax protester

[HappyChristian]

Okay. Agree to disagree, I guess! I just think that sitting in jail without a good reason is not following the Bible...but....if the OP feels it a good reason...hey...*shrugs*
:lol

Well, CP didn't sit in jail! Not all of them do. Yeah, I think it's an agree to disagree...but I do think that it would be good if we could get a president in there who would abolish the IRS. And change the taxes...drop the income tax and do a sales tax. Sales taxes would be voluntary because then people would only pay taxes if they want to buy something.

[Anon]

Well, CP didn't sit in jail! Not all of them do. Yeah, I think it's an agree to disagree...but I do think that it would be good if we could get a president in there who would abolish the IRS. And change the taxes...drop the income tax and do a sales tax. Sales taxes would be voluntary because then people would only pay taxes if they want to buy something.

Sales tax is not really voluntary...I mean...everybody has to buy SOMEthing.

Anyway, in today's government, you'd have the gov't paying its own taxes, what with all the welfare checks they hand out these days.

[HappyChristian]

Yes, but a sales tax is the most fair tax of all. Because then everyone would pay. I remember talking about taxes to someone once and I said I just wish there would be a sales tax. Then, people would most likely be choosier about what they buy, prices would fix themselves in supply and demand. And there'd be no income tax. She was very against it. Why? Because she pays no taxes - she just gets money from the gubmint. And she said that if a sales tax like that were to go through, she'd have to pay 'em. Well, yeah. That's the idea.

[Anon]

I prefer the idea of a flat tax, I feel there's more loopholes with sales tax...black market, that type of thing.

I think everyone should get a postcard in the mail and owe a certain % of their income by April 15, no ifs, ands, ors, or buts. That, to me, is most fair. That way you aren't being penalized for how you spend your money as far as what's left after taxes.

[HappyChristian]

I have to disagree there. That is still tax by coercion. Why in the world should I HAVE to pay any percentage of my income to the gubmint? Sales taxes would be voluntary - then only when I buy something am I taxed, and I can pick and choose what tax I pay. That's true choice.

[Colin Stolzer]

First I would like to make it clear that I didn't evade, or avoid anything, I confronted the IRS head on and went the full distance with them.
Now the point of this isn't the money or the tax, the point is Freedom, and Freedom is a biblical based conviction, it is also a highly regarded tenet of being an American. I gave you the scripture right from the start:
1Co 7:20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
1Co 7:21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
1Co 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
1Co 7:24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God
I have the knowledge and the ability, so I set myself and my family free, and not just from the IRS, I also set us free from the rest of the system(Social Security, OMB Certificates, etc..).
If you want to voluntarily continue to hand over the fruit of your labor to the gov't because of the fear of the possible consequences, hey have at it, I never said paying them was a sin did I? You only have to answer for the stewardship of your blessings to God.

My question to most everybody who says "If I don't I'll go to jail" is at what point do you take a stand? What in your life does the gov't have to infringe upon before you will stand up for what you believe in? Will you allow abortion to be paid for by your tax dollars? Will you allow your tax dollars to be spent promoting homosexuality. Will you allow your tax dollars to be spent promoting Evolution? God's going to hold everyone of us accountable for the stewardship of our money, and since federal Income Tax is voluntary, you won't be able to use the excuse that you aren't responsible for what they used it for after you willingly gave it to them. And I don't think that God's going to buy the excuse that I gave it to them because I was afraid of going to jail if I didn't.

C

[Anon]

Cowboy I don't believe your Scriptures are in the correct context...

HC...The thing is, everyone HAS to buy things. I HAVE to buy food and clothes and shoes, and a car, etc. So that is, actually, not a choice. I mean, I guess I could starve and go naked. LOL.

I just think its easier to say "you owe 10% of everything, the rest is yours". Especially as now, the sales tax is different according to what kind of product it is.

I guess if you could get a FLAT sales tax it would be okay, but there would be just as many loopholes as anything else. However on the good side, people would see how much they are spending towards the government.

[HappyChristian]

HC...The thing is' date=' everyone HAS to buy things. I HAVE to buy food and clothes and shoes, and a car, etc. So that is, actually, not a choice. I mean, I guess I could starve and go naked. LOL. No, you wouldn't starve or go naked...but you might choose different things, right? Everybody needing to buy things is the exact point. The woman I referenced earlier still wouldn't pay taxes with a flat tax plan. Sales tax is the only fair way to go.

I just think its easier to say "you owe 10% of everything, the rest is yours". Especially as now, the sales tax is different according to what kind of product it is. Easier isn't always best.

I guess if you could get a FLAT sales tax it would be okay, but there would be just as many loopholes as anything else. However on the good side, people would see how much they are spending towards the government.

[Colin Stolzer]

Cowboy I don't believe your Scriptures are in the correct context...

Show me what context you think it means then.

My question to most everybody who says "If I don't I'll go to jail" is at what point do you take a stand? What in your life does the gov't have to infringe upon before you will stand up for what you believe in? Will you allow abortion to be paid for by your tax dollars? Will you allow your tax dollars to be spent promoting homosexuality. Will you allow your tax dollars to be spent promoting Evolution? God's going to hold everyone of us accountable for the stewardship of our money, and since federal Income Tax is voluntary, you won't be able to use the excuse that you aren't responsible for what they used it for after you willingly gave it to them. And I don't think that God's going to buy the excuse that I gave it to them because I was afraid of going to jail if I didn't.

Just out of curiosity, what are you going to tell God about the money you sent the gov't that supported sin?

C

[Anon]

HC my idea of a flat tax is still "everybody pays". No class brackets.

IC what you are saying about sales tax. However I guess this is all pie in the sky!

Cowboy again, look at the commands to the NT church on how to treat the wicked, filthy, murderous government they had. Honestly, your convictions are fine for yourself but I trust my Bible regarding how I'm to respect and obey my government authorities....correct interpretation of law codes or now, they are now my authority and I must obey them.

[Salyan]

I'm confused... HappyChristian seems to have no sales tax in her area, while Kitagirl appears to have it. Is there an American sales tax? Or is it the choice of each individual state? For example, we have the GST (which is the federal sales tax), and then some (not all) provinces have a PST, or Provincial Sales Tax. Alberta is fortunate not to have a PST... but then we still have income tax! :verymad:

[Colin Stolzer]

Sales tax is State by State, and some States also have Income Tax. Some states have sales Tax and some don't, and inside the states that do have sales tax, some counties, and local gov't also add sales tax.

C

[deafnva77]

I prefer the idea of a flat tax, I feel there's more loopholes with sales tax...black market, that type of thing.

I think everyone should get a postcard in the mail and owe a certain % of their income by April 15, no ifs, ands, ors, or buts. That, to me, is most fair. That way you aren't being penalized for how you spend your money as far as what's left after taxes.

I prefer flat tax too. It's good for the environment (not that the gov't cares anyway, even democrats) because the rich buy things.. and if they decide to do a yard sale, the poor can buy off of them without paying taxes. Leaving them to pay tax on food.

but the gov't would never allow this. They are too nosy, and MUST know how much a person makes.. they will say they will make sure no one is paying under wages... and little things like that. businesses still have to do taxes if flat tax exist. but at least no household will be forced to pay taxes.

[Salyan]

Hmm... thank you for the information, C.

[John81]

LuAnne, several Great Posts!