God Created Coffee Soooo Good!

[JerryNumbers]

Yes it is.

 

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DR602089

 

http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/drug-facts/caffeine

 

I can provide more citation if necessary.

 

No it isn't a drug.

 

I can also prove many thing that the world, doctors, & scientist tells us that is not true, that is they're not credible. For instant:

 

Ge 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

 

No evolution. none at all, it was created by God as told in the Bible, so that takes care of their credibility.

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Coffee isn't a drug.

Caffeine is though.  It's a stimulant drug.  :-)  Are we still friends?  LOL!

[HappyChristian]

This would be in interesting read for those who want to take the time to read it.  And, FWIW, grape juice does make my heart glad (without buzzing my brain)...it also is good  for my heart (which makes it glad in another way) without being bad for my liver or brain.     http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/wine_in_the_bible/2.html

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This would be in interesting read for those who want to take the time to read it.  And, FWIW, grape juice does make my heart glad (without buzzing my brain)...it also is good  for my heart (which makes it glad in another way) without being bad for my liver or brain.     http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/wine_in_the_bible/2.html

I have never been drunk but I have had alcohol in my life and didn't even get a buzz.  My brain and liver are fine.  Moderation is the key with anything we put into our bodies.  I can take it or leave it.  Mostly, I leave it.  I try not to read articles but rather go to scripture because you can find articles that argue both sides.  I haven't read scripture that says not to drink alcohol but I have read scripture that says not to get drunk.  I wouldn't tell someone to do it or not do it but I would tell someone they shouldn't get drunk.

[HappyChristian]

Well, sometimes articles can shed light on things.  And explain things that many don't understand.    But it is easier not to read 'em.      This particular one discusses the meanings of the three words used for wine.  So, it's educational and could be enlightening for some.

 

I never said anything about your liver or brain...simply talked about mine, and said that grape juice does gladden my heart.  And that it's good for me without the bad side effects of alcohol.  *shrugs* I've never said the Bible forbids drinking alcohol...simply that God says it's unwise.  That's enough for me to avoid it, honestly.  Although I would guess that the injunction not to look on the cup when it's fermented (moving itself in the cup and the color references) would mean not to look as one drinks...LOL

 

Yep, moderation is the key. So I'm gonna go smoke a doobie.    (j/k)

[Salyan]

 

Luke 7:33-34 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.  The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! (Why would the Pharisees judge Jesus for drinking too much grape juice?)

 

 

 

The English word wine is used to describe different things in the Scriptures. One is new wine, or sweet wine - basically grape juice. One is strong drink - alcoholic wine. We have to look at each reference and compare Scripture with Scripture to see what is meant at each instance.

Regarding the Luke reference, I'm thinking that the Pharisees were misrepresenting Christ with that comment. I mean, I don't think Jesus was gluttonous, do you?  Therefore they were saying things about Him that weren't true as far as the eating went - seems logical they were probably exaggerating about the drinking by turning regular drinking of liquids into winebibbing.

[Arbo]

No it isn't a drug.
 
I can also prove many thing that the world, doctors, & scientist tells us that is not true, that is they're not credible. For instant:
 
Ge 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
 
No evolution. none at all, it was created by God as told in the Bible, so that takes care of their credibility.

Caffeine is most certainly a drug.

I fail to make the connection between evolution and caffeine. Perhaps you could explain further.

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The English word wine is used to describe different things in the Scriptures. One is new wine, or sweet wine - basically grape juice. One is strong drink - alcoholic wine. We have to look at each reference and compare Scripture with Scripture to see what is meant at each instance.

Regarding the Luke reference, I'm thinking that the Pharisees were misrepresenting Christ with that comment. I mean, I don't think Jesus was gluttonous, do you?  Therefore they were saying things about Him that weren't true as far as the eating went - seems logical they were probably exaggerating about the drinking by turning regular drinking of liquids into winebibbing.

Well wine comes from grapes that naturally ferment over time.  I never heard of someone going to a liquor store to purchase grape juice.  It is called wine because it is in its fermented stage.  That still makes no sense to call Jesus a winebidder if the drink they were referring to didn't have traces of alcohol.  When he responded to them, he didn't say the drink I am consuming doesn't have alcohol but rather he pointed out their inconsistencies. They said John the Baptist was crazy for refraining from food and drink but then judged Jesus for eating and drinking merrily.  Obviously, they saw him drinking wine and could make a distinction of its contents.  Who would call grape juice "strong drink" if it didn't have some amount of alcohol in it?  I think anybody with common sense can make a distinction between wine and grape juice.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Isaiah 65:8 (KJV) 8 Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and [one] saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing [is] in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.

I reckon you must believe Isaiah did not have common sense. He said wine was in the cluster.

[HappyChristian]

Actually, it's called wine all the time...the Proverbs reference specifies when the wine is fermented. Well, with the exception of when it's called fruit of the vine (as in the Last Supper).

 

 

 

 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

This verse doesn't mean white wine would be acceptable and red isn't. It's talking about the fermentation process.  Winemakers know when the wine is fermented when it is a certain color (depending on the grapes used) and when the "mother" moves.

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Isaiah 65:8 (KJV) 8 Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and [one] saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing [is] in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.

I reckon you must believe Isaiah did not have common sense. He said wine was in the cluster.

The "new wine" referred to here was an illustration of God finding a few "good grapes" among the "corrupt" cluster of the people of Israel.  That's why he said don't destroy it for there is a blessing in it.  He's talking about people here and not fermentation of grapes.  Kinda like saying one bad apple spoils the whole bunch doesn't mean we should never eat apples. 

[DaveW]

Arbo - there are drugs and there are drugs.
In fact there are drugs in many common herbs.
The difference in this discussion is that caffeine is not generally considered harmful. Overdose of caffeine can be, but an overdose of vitamin c can be fatal.

Alcohol has no unique benefits and many many downsides.

In a technical sense it is a drug, in a social and ethical sense it is not.

And I think you know that.

[Salyan]

Well wine comes from grapes that naturally ferment over time.  I never heard of someone going to a liquor store to purchase grape juice.  It is called wine because it is in its fermented stage.  That still makes no sense to call Jesus a winebidder if the drink they were referring to didn't have traces of alcohol.  When he responded to them, he didn't say the drink I am consuming doesn't have alcohol but rather he pointed out their inconsistencies. They said John the Baptist was crazy for refraining from food and drink but then judged Jesus for eating and drinking merrily.  Obviously, they saw him drinking wine and could make a distinction of its contents.  Who would call grape juice "strong drink" if it didn't have some amount of alcohol in it?  I think anybody with common sense can make a distinction between wine and grape juice.

 

Grape juice isn't strong drink, but it is wine. Biblically speaking, wine is not always alcoholic. Remember that words change meaning. I don't know why the KJV translators used wine to refer to both, but I do understand that the Biblical meaning may be different than the modern meaning. 

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Grape juice isn't strong drink, but it is wine. Biblically speaking, wine is not always alcoholic. Remember that words change meaning. I don't know why the KJV translators used wine to refer to both, but I do understand that the Biblical meaning may be different than the modern meaning. 

Biblically prove that to me.

[Salyan]

Biblically prove that to me.

 

Okay. Give me a little time to look it up and get it onto here. I'll be busy this evening.