Preterism

[Covenanter]

On another thread:

I would definitely seperate from a Preterist for that heresy has led to the slaughter of millions of Jews. It one of the most damnable teachings ever the spew forth out of the mouth of Satan.

I believe God's dealings with Israel as a nation ended with the prophesied destruction in AD 70. Jews were under the Gospel command to repent & turn to Jesus Christ before & since.


There is not the slightest justification by any system of Christian theology to persecute Jews, nor any other unbelievers.


You are confused by those false "Christians" particularly RCs & Orthodox who maintained the perpetual wrath of God against Jews. That certainly is not Biblical preterism.


Biblical preterism maintains that the wrath of God fell on the generation that rejected its Messiah. No further Israel-specific wrath can fall. From AD 70 on, Jews are numbered with "all nations" who are welcomed by the Gospel.

[Wilchbla]

Replacement theology still lead to the destruction of millions of Jews. It doesn't matter what you claim it teaches.

[Covenanter]

Replacement theology still lead to the destruction of millions of Jews. It doesn't matter what you claim it teaches.

Dispensationalism still lead to the destruction of millions of Jews in the tribulation, Armageddon, & of course countless Jews down the ages. Surely the more Jews you can get to "return" to Israel, the more will be slaughtered according to the perverted dispensationalism:



Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, [that] in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off [and] die; but the third shall be left therein.


Replacement theology welcomes Jews by the Gospel. We are not responsible for the crimes of Hitler, the Orthodox, the RCs, nor all the prejudiced expulsions in recent years, nor the past millennia.


Replacement theology would encourage the Jews to live in peace wherever they are found, rather than force them into Israel so displacing the Palestinians.

[John81]

Either view can be used by those who wish to persecute Jews.

There are some of those who hold to pre-mil who believe in doing what they can to promote Jewish persecution so the Jews will hurry up and gather in Israel and bring about the Rapture/end times.

I've encountered pre-mil folks who believe we should do what we can to make sure Israel comes under attack so as to hurry the Rapture.

Of course, most of us know of those who have claimed in times past the Jews should be killed off because they were the Christ killers and God has abandoned them.

Even so, there are a great many who have chosen to attack, kill or otherwise persecute Jews for other reasons.

The basis of whether a particular eschological view is valid or not should be based upon the Word of God; not upon how folks can misuse it.

[Invicta]

Replacement theology still lead to the destruction of millions of Jews. It doesn't matter what you claim it teaches.

It is easy to make statements like that, but what is your proof?

I will say that I am neither a Preterist or a Futurist (Dispi or other).

[John81]

It is easy to make statements like that, but what is your proof?


I will say that I am neither a Preterist or a Futurist (Dispi or other).

While Replacement theology might not "lead" to the killing of Jews, it has been "used" as a reason/excuse for the killing and persecution of Jews.


Replacement theology itself, as far as I know, doesn't promote this but some followers of this have used it as the basis for their ill dealings with Jews.

[Covenanter]

Thanks, John, for reading & commenting on what I write - even if you don't agree with me, we can disagree graciously & encourage one another in Christ.

I never came across the term "replacement theology" in 40 years as an amil, until it was used in a pejorative sense against me.

As far as I can see, the term has been invented as a man-of-straw to use against us.

The Scriptural foundation is:

Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Gal 3:26

[Invicta]

While Replacement theology might not "lead" to the killing of Jews, it has been "used" as a reason/excuse for the killing and persecution of Jews.


Replacement theology itself, as far as I know, doesn't promote this but some followers of this have used it as the basis for their ill dealings with Jews.

Which followers? Are you just repeating something you have heard somewhere or have you any evidence?

[John81]

Which followers? Are you just repeating something you have heard somewhere or have you any evidence?

Catholics have been especially bad about this over the years as have some Orthodox and Protestants. The idea was put forth that God had rejected the Jews and all the promises to them now belong to the Gentiles and the "Christ killers" deserved punishment. Some Catholic teaching actually said they (Catholics) were the instrument God was using to punish the Jews.


These and many other things are recorded in various historical accounts.

[Covenanter]

Can someone explain pleeeeeeeeeeeez, what there is in "preterism" (the teaching that prophecy was substantially fulfilled in AD 70, apart from Christ's return for resurrection & judgement) that leads to persecution of the Jews???? Or any other accusation of heresy????

[Jerry]

The accusation of heresy comes from the simple fact that your position denies and contradicts countless OT (and NT) passages dealing with the Jews, Jerusalem, their return to Israel and their salvation, etc.

Let's start off with Zechariah 14 and the battle of Armageddon in Revelation 16 and 19. Those certainly are not past events; the whole WORLD has never come against Israel and was destroyed instantly by Jesus; there has never been a one-world leader instituting his mark on the world during a seven-year reign that was destroyed at the return of Christ, etc.

[Invicta]

The accusation of heresy comes from the simple fact that your position denies and contradicts countless OT (and NT) passages dealing with the Jews, Jerusalem, their return to Israel and their salvation, etc.

Let's start off with Zechariah 14 and the battle of Armageddon in Revelation 16 and 19. Those certainly are not past events; the whole WORLD has never come against Israel and was destroyed instantly by Jesus; there has never been a one-world leader instituting his mark on the world during a seven-year reign that was destroyed at the return of Christ, etc.

Only if you take prophecy literally, and use a lot of imagination. and prophecy is mostly symbolic starting from Genesis.

[Jerry]

Nice try - if prophecy is symbolic, there is no way to tell when it is fulfilled. All the prophecies of Jesus' first coming were fulfilled literally - but we're supposed to believe the prophecies about His return are not...

[1Timothy115]

Only if you take prophecy literally, and use a lot of imagination. and prophecy is mostly symbolic starting from Genesis.

There are over a 300 prophecies concerning the Savior in the OT. Are you going to throw a blanket out and deny Christ and say He fulfilled nothing?

[Covenanter]

There are over a 300 prophecies concerning the Savior in the OT. Are you going to throw a blanket out and deny Christ and say He fulfilled nothing?

Of course not.



Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.


Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23 And it shall come to pass, [that] every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.