Baptist going to jail for praying in school staff mtg before meal

[Anon]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539741,00.html

Florida stinks for freedom of religion!

[JerryNumbers]

Yes, if your a follower of Jesus Christ, your a criminal.

[Psalms18_28]

terrible! And can you imagine them doing this on "public" hospitals?

Those people have every rights to pray. this is a fine example why we left England, and why our founders were very happy to be open with their beliefs, even in the gov't system.. because they know they will not be prosecuted over it. (we have to be open about it anyway to the gov't anyway when want christian schools and such)

[Bakershalfdozen]

I read that yesterday and wondered...

The ACLU made a stink over prayer in a Gov't-run school so this guy goes to jail. What are they going to do when he prays in the Gov't-run jail? Have him sent to jail? Oh wait...

[John81]

There is a full court press against God, Christianity, morals and standards in America.

Make no mistake, the homosexual attacks (along with their liberal allies) against the Mormon church for their work supporting Prop 8 in California is not only an attack against them, but also an attack and a warning to us and anyone else who might dare to openly say homosexuality is a sin, wrong, or even something that should be kept behind closed doors.

If you look over the news such attacks are widespread and becoming more common and spreading to more and more areas. They (anti-Christians/anti-morals crowd) have huge amounts of money and a plethora of willing lawyers and workers who can fight us across the nation.

It really doesn't even matter if they win these cases either because the fear they bring to others, which prevents them from taking a stand, serves their purposes.

So, if they have folks arrested for praying in a hundred different public forums across the country and they eventually lose most of the cases, they have still won because they have effectively silenced dozens and scores of others who won't risk the cost of a lawsuit by taking a similar stand.

The day is fast approaching, and is already here to an extent, when Christians will face the test of whether they will stand up for Christ when faced with job loss, jail time or worse.

[HappyChristian]

Horror of horrors! They prayed before lunch. Those rotten criminals. Oughtta be run outta town on a rail - after being tarred and feathered. *sigh* (for those who don't know me well...that was sarcasm!)

If it took place during school hours and students were there, then the Baptist deacon lied. That isn't going to look good.

So, if they have folks arrested for praying in a hundred different public forums across the country and they eventually lose most of the cases, they have still won because they have effectively silenced dozens and scores of others who won't risk the cost of a lawsuit by taking a similar stand.

Too true, John. And all the more reason for Christians to demand trial by jury and then make sure the jurors have copies of the constitution when they deliberate. That little ole first amendment might just set some anti-Christians on their heads. (you know, the part of "prohibiting the FREE exercise thereof..." It's not too free if you get jailed for it!)

[ptwild]

terrible! And can you imagine them doing this on "public" hospitals?

Those people have every rights to pray. this is a fine example why we left England, and why our founders were very happy to be open with their beliefs, even in the gov't system.. because they know they will not be prosecuted over it. (we have to be open about it anyway to the gov't anyway when want christian schools and such)

By founders do you mean the Pilgrims or the signers of the declaration of independence? If the latter, then surely you know that they were, for the most part, of the same faith as the English Crown. They were never "persecuted" for their religion. Their biggest concern was economic, i.e., "no taxation without representation."

[Psalms18_28]

I were referring to pilgrims who left England... But the signers were mostly deists but I think they were afraid speak on their mind about what they believed in too, rather it was religious or ideas. Religious freedom was the first to list in the bill of rights, and then freedom of speech.

[ptwild]

I were referring to pilgrims who left England... But the signers were mostly deists but I think they were afraid speak on their mind about what they believed in too, rather it was religious or ideas. Religious freedom was the first to list in the bill of rights, and then freedom of speech.

The bill of rights came after independence. We didn't even have a government which could persecute us at that point.

[Kubel]

Lessons here:
1) Don't use taxpayers dollars to promote your faith (regardless of what it is).
2) Don't agree to a settlement when you have no intention to keep your word.
3) Read Matthew 6:6.

[JerryNumbers]

Lessons here:
1) Don't use taxpayers dollars to promote your faith (regardless of what it is).
2) Don't agree to a settlement when you have no intention to keep your word.
3) Read Matthew 6:6.

Are you saying we are to only pray in private?

[HappyChristian]

The founders weren't deists! Many (but not all) were Episcopalians. And they all (including Jefferson and Franklin who never really accepted Christianity) knew that God worked in the lives of men and that He was also at work in establishing our country. Many of their writings indicate this.

[ptwild]

The founders weren't deists! Many (but not all) were Episcopalians. And they all (including Jefferson and Franklin who never really accepted Christianity) knew that God worked in the lives of men and that He was also at work in establishing our country. Many of their writings indicate this.

I think there is strong support for the proposition that even some of those who were Anglican had deist beliefs. Jefferson was a practicing Anglican (served on the vestry of his local church) who had unorthodox deistic beliefs (I believe he denied the trinity).

[HappyChristian]

I think there is strong support for the proposition that even some of those who were Anglican had deist beliefs. Jefferson was a practicing Anglican (served on the vestry of his local church) who had unorthodox deistic beliefs (I believe he denied the trinity).

Jefferson denied the resurrection. Adams was the Unitarian. Many of those who were "practicing" attended other churches as well. Samuel Adams attended a German church while in New York - even though he didn't know German.

A deist is one who believes that God doesn't concern Himself in the affairs of man. Reading through the founders writings shows that most of them didn't believe that of Him.

[1Timothy115]

Galatians 6:17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.