Is Homosexuality a Sin?

[John81]

There seems to be some question about this in several threads.

What does the Bible say?

[Colin Stolzer]

Lev 18:1 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying,
Lev 18:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God.
Lev 18:3 After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.
Lev 18:4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.
Lev 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
Lev 18:6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
Lev 18:7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
Lev 18:8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.
Lev 18:9 The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.
Lev 18:10 The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.
Lev 18:11 The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
Lev 18:12 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.
Lev 18:13 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.
Lev 18:14 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.
Lev 18:15 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter-in-law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
Lev 18:16 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.
Lev 18:17 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.
Lev 18:18 Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.
Lev 18:19 Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.
Lev 18:20 Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbor's wife, to defile thyself with her.
Lev 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Lev 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
Lev 18:24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
Lev 18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
Lev 18:26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
Lev 18:27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
Lev 18:28 That the land spew not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spewed out the nations that were before you.
Lev 18:29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
Lev 18:30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.

Lev 20:1 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying,
Lev 20:2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.
Lev 20:3 And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.
Lev 20:4 And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not:
Lev 20:5 Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.
Lev 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.
Lev 20:7 Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.
Lev 20:8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.
Lev 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Lev 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Lev 20:12 And if a man lie with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Lev 20:14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
Lev 20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
Lev 20:16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Lev 20:17 And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness; it is a wicked thing; and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people: he hath uncovered his sister's nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity.
Lev 20:18 And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people.
Lev 20:19 And thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister, nor of thy father's sister: for he uncovereth his near kin: they shall bear their iniquity.
Lev 20:20 And if a man shall lie with his uncle's wife, he hath uncovered his uncle's nakedness: they shall bear their sin; they shall die childless.
Lev 20:21 And if a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing: he hath uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.
Lev 20:22 Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spew you not out.
Lev 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
Lev 20:24 But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people.
Lev 20:25 Ye shall therefore put difference between clean beasts and unclean, and between unclean fowls and clean: and ye shall not make your souls abominable by beast, or by fowl, or by any manner of living thing that creepeth on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean.
Lev 20:26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.
Lev 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

These verses pretty clearly cover homosexuality, beastiality, incest....
And this is of course carried into the New Testament,
1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

These are just a few quick ones that I remembered off the top of my head.

[JerryNumbers]

John anyone who questions whether this is a sin or not disagrees with God, they're 100% wrong.

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Lev 20:13 (KJV)

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Romans 1:21-32 (KJV)

Makes me think of these verses.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 25 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
John 4:23-26

They that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth.

[Crushmaster]

(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) - "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, {10} Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Some translations put "effeminate" as "homosexuals". It is quite obvious that God considers it a sin. And, if it's a sin, it therefore must be a choice.

(Romans 1:18-32) - "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; {19} Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. {20} For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: {21} Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. {22} Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, {23} And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. {24} Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: {25} Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

"{26} For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: {27} And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. {28} And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; {29} Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, {30} Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, {31} Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: {32} Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
God bless,
Crushmaster.

[JerryNumbers]

I suppose, those who claim this is not a sin, that these verses we posted do not count.

[ptwild]

I don't even see how this topic can be debated. Of course it ("it" being the sexual act, i.e. lieing with mankind) is a sin. Now, whether someone is born with a natural disposition to commit that sin, such as an alcoholic, maybe debateable.

[HappyChristian]

I don't even see how this topic can be debated. Of course it ("it" being the sexual act, i.e. lieing with mankind) is a sin. Now, whether someone is born with a natural disposition to commit that sin, such as an alcoholic, maybe debateable.

You know, of all of the alcoholics I know (and that would include my father) NONE of them was born with the natural disposition to be an alcholic...None of them. No, they began on that journey when they took their first drink -which is likely the reason God put it in His Word that it was unwise to drink.

Natural disposition to commit THAT sin? No, no, no, no. We are all born sinners. Every one of us. And every one of us is capable of doing any sin anyone could name. When someone begins on the path of a certain sin (by CHOICE), it then becomes a weakness at which it is easy to stumble.

The actual act isn't the only thing that is the sin. The lust to do so is also a sin: according to Jesus Christ. Remember? When He mentioned that a man who looks on a woman and lusts after her, he's already committed adultery. Well, in the same way, a man who looks on a man and lusts after him, it is sin.

No, it is not debatable...it is sin. Clear cut in God's Word, sin.

[ptwild]

You know, of all of the alcoholics I know (and that would include my father) NONE of them was born with the natural disposition to be an alcholic...None of them. No, they began on that journey when they took their first drink -which is likely the reason God put it in His Word that it was unwise to drink.

Natural disposition to commit THAT sin? No, no, no, no. We are all born sinners. Every one of us. And every one of us is capable of doing any sin anyone could name. When someone begins on the path of a certain sin (by CHOICE), it then becomes a weakness at which it is easy to stumble.

The actual act isn't the only thing that is the sin. The lust to do so is also a sin: according to Jesus Christ. Remember? When He mentioned that a man who looks on a woman and lusts after her, he's already committed adultery. Well, in the same way, a man who looks on a man and lusts after him, it is sin.

No, it is not debatable...it is sin. Clear cut in God's Word, sin.

That may be so for the alcoholics you have known. However, we do know that there is a genetic disposition to alcoholism. Some persons having it, others not. Of course, those that have it would never have a problem if they never drank. However, it is there as a physical part of their life. They can't "choose" their genetic make up.

[HappyChristian]

That may be so for the alcoholics you have known. However, we do know that there is a genetic disposition to alcoholism. Some persons having it, others not. Of course, those that have it would never have a problem if they never drank. However, it is there as a physical part of their life. They can't "choose" their genetic make up.

No, pt, we don't know that. Some people have come out and tried to say that it is there. It isn't there for alcoholism any more than any other sin in any way except that we are all sinners. All of us. And all of us are capable of becoming alcoholics, murderers, adulterers, etc. Because we are born sinners. Period. We are not born alcoholics or sodomites or pedophiles, etc. Our rearing has much to do with what we become, but we are all born sinners with the capability of committin any sin.

[ptwild]

No, pt, we don't know that. Some people have come out and tried to say that it is there. It isn't there for alcoholism any more than any other sin in any way except that we are all sinners. All of us. And all of us are capable of becoming alcoholics, murderers, adulterers, etc. Because we are born sinners. Period. We are not born alcoholics or sodomites or pedophiles, etc. Our rearing has much to do with what we become, but we are all born sinners with the capability of committin any sin.

"Capable of committing" is not the same thing as having a predisposition. I'm not a scientist or doctor (and you aren't either, unless I'm mistaken), so I really don't feel comfortable getting into the complexity of the genetic makeup of alcoholics, but I have no reason not to trust the vast number of those, who are much more knowledgable and experienced in that field, who have tested the issue, and who have concluded that a person can be born with a genetic presidposition to being addicted to alcohol, just as they can be born with a predisposition to playing the piano.

[HappyChristian]

"Capable of committing" is not the same thing as having a predisposition. I'm not a scientist or doctor (and you aren't either, unless I'm mistaken), so I really don't feel comfortable getting into the complexity of the genetic makeup of alcoholics, but I have no reason not to trust the vast number of those, who are much more knowledgable and experienced in that field, who have tested the issue, and who have concluded that a person can be born with a genetic presidposition to being addicted to alcohol, just as they can be born with a predisposition to playing the piano.

No, I'm not a doctor nor am I a scientist. But I know what God's Word says. We are ALL predispositioned to sin, and can commit any sin that is out there. There isn't a VAST number of people who have tested the issue. It's become accepted that it's a disease that is inherited because people don't want to admit their guilt of sin. But that's okay - believe it if you want to. It's the only "pre-disposition" that can be bought in a bottle. As far as piano - that's called a gift from God, not a predisposition.

[ptwild]

No, I'm not a doctor nor am I a scientist. But I know what God's Word says. We are ALL predispositioned to sin, and can commit any sin that is out there. There isn't a VAST number of people who have tested the issue. It's become accepted that it's a disease that is inherited because people don't want to admit their guilt of sin. But that's okay - believe it if you want to. It's the only "pre-disposition" that can be bought in a bottle. As far as piano - that's called a gift from God, not a predisposition.

But we know that music is in ones genes. If two musically inclined people have a child, that child is most likely going to also be musically inclined, as opposed to the child of two persons who are not so inclined. Do you mean to tell me that you do not believe in gentics?

[HappyChristian]

pt - yes, I do believe in genetics. But it is not true necessarily that 2 musically talented people will have musically talented children. I know several people who can't carry a tune in a bucket whose children sing wonderfully - and vice versa. It's a gift from God. Not a "predisposition."

[Crushmaster]

I don't even see how this topic can be debated. Of course it ("it" being the sexual act, i.e. lieing with mankind) is a sin. Now, whether someone is born with a natural disposition to commit that sin, such as an alcoholic, maybe debateable.

Sir,
If homosexuality was natural (that is; the state of being attracted to those of the same sex), I do not think God would consider it a sin.

Furthermore, even if it were natural, God still condemns it! It doesn't matter either way (even though it is obviously not natural, as God created humans male and female, and male and female alone). Look at the verses we posted; particularly the passage from 1 Corinthians.

There's simply no getting around it.
In Christ,
Crushmaster.

[ptwild]

It's not a guarantee that someone will inherit a certain gene from their parents. But those chances do increase if both parents have the gene. It could also be recessive, so that the parents are not musically inclined, but their child and the child's grandparents are. This is something that is not up for debate. The have identified these genes and just as they have the genes that determines your eye color. It is a gift from God, but the gift is the fact that he gave you the genetic make up to do it. I am of course speaking of those who are naturally musically inclinded. Anyone can learn to read music and play an instrument.