ABRAHAM LINCOLN'S AMERICA

[HappyChristian]

Maybe because the civil war came after the war of 1812?
You're right - I stand corrected...but not offended! Thanks for pointing out my not really looking at the dates!!!! :thumb





Ok, that is all I needed to know. I was a hop skip and a jump from moving on when I quit as a mod, and since several regular board membersstrongly imply they will be completely unable to refrain from starting threads that they know very well a number of people find deeply offensive(it is hardly just me) then that just made the decision to move on a whole lot easier. That kind of attitude bugs me more than the topic itself. I don't feel like dealing any more with christians who find themselves completely unable when asked at first politely and then more bluntly to show deference to such simple request when I have never before asked anything of the kind and when the request contradicts nothing in scripture. I no longer feel like like silently putting up with this kind of irritation as I have generally done the last few years. This thread and the responses on it was the very last straw for me personally. So long folks, have fun, I am out of here, either for good or for a good long while.

Seth, you may not read this because you may already be gone. If so, I am sorry. I really hate to see you leave, because I do enjoy your posts. But I do think you are overreacting to this. My suggestion that people don't read threads that they know will upset them was not an attitude. It was a polite suggestion that has been made by other people regarding other threads. So, if we aren't supposed to start threads people might find offensive, what do we do? Because every thread could offend someone. Or several someones.

I do practice my suggestion. If there is a topic that I know will bother me, make me angry or just disgust me, I don't read it - or, at least, if I do, I don't post. Why? Because the angst isn't worth it to me. And if I am posting in a thread and find myself getting angry at what I perceive other posters' ignorance, I stop posting.

There are threads I could go into and ask people to desist from posting and making comments, and my request wouldn't be unscriptural. But that doesn't make it unscriptural or unchristian for people to continue -
to make such an issue of this is overblowing things, imo.

Again, I'm sorry to see you go.

[John81]

Seth, you may not read this because you may already be gone. If so, I am sorry. I really hate to see you leave, because I do enjoy your posts. But I do think you are overreacting to this. My suggestion that people don't read threads that they know will upset them was not an attitude. It was a polite suggestion that has been made by other people regarding other threads. So, if we aren't supposed to start threads people might find offensive, what do we do? Because every thread could offend someone. Or several someones.

I do practice my suggestion. If there is a topic that I know will bother me, make me angry or just disgust me, I don't read it - or, at least, if I do, I don't post. Why? Because the angst isn't worth it to me. And if I am posting in a thread and find myself getting angry at what I perceive other posters' ignorance, I stop posting.

There are threads I could go into and ask people to desist from posting and making comments, and my request wouldn't be unscriptural. But that doesn't make it unscriptural or unchristian for people to continue -
to make such an issue of this is overblowing things, imo.

Again, I'm sorry to see you go.

I'm in full agreement. I echo all that LuAnne has said here.

[Revelation3:20]

This sad on so many levels. I am sorry Seth-Doty lost his normally patient and friendly attitude, I am sorry he felt he needed to leave, and I am sorry that some have so little regard for the word of God that they would rather sow discord among the brethren than give up even a small amount of their right to speak their mind. I am sorry so many know so much scripture and live so little. I am sorry I ever read this thread. [bible]Proverbs 6:16-19[/bible] [bible]1 Corinthians 13[/bible]

[John81]

This sad on so many levels. I am sorry Seth-Doty lost his normally patient and friendly attitude' date=' I am sorry he felt he needed to leave, and I am sorry that some have so little regard for the word of God that they would rather sow discord among the brethren than give up even a small amount of their right to speak their mind. I am sorry so many know so much scripture and live so little. I am sorry I ever read this thread. [bible']Proverbs 6:16-19[/bible] [bible]1 Corinthians 13[/bible]

If you had followed the thread you would notice it was agreed to drop the subject but Seth continued to post on the subject anyway.

As LuAnne so rightly pointed out previously, if there is a topic that so negatively effects us, we should avoid it. None of us have to read any particular thread or engage in any particular thread. There are plenty of threads I don't engage in for a variety of reasons. At the same time, there are plenty of other threads one can engage in if we so choose.

While it saddens me to see Seth leave, there are times when separating ourselves for a time is what is needed. That applies to all of us.

[JerryNumbers]

Under other topics, I have stated just what LuAnne did. We have had topics on here that people have said, "Lets don't discuss this," I've tried to politely say, "If you don't want to discuss this topic, don't click on this topic, and let those who do discuss it."

I'll give a for instant, If I walk up to a group of people who are having a discussion about a topic of which I don't like, I'm not going to be rude and say, change the subject, I don't want to discuss this but here is what I want to discuss, NO, I don't do that, I'm either quite and or I leave them to their discussion and move on.

There are many topics I never make a single post in, there are topics that I don't want to discuss, but I never jump in and say, "Don't y'all discuss this," the only way I would do so if it was a topic which I thought was wrong to discuss.

And if I get so mad that I'm not going to post on this message board, them I'll keep my mouth shut and leave quietly, I want act like a kid who just got his toys taken away from him, we as Christians should be better than that and show respect to one another and more especially the owner of this message board, Bro. Matt, and his moderators.

Besides that, more than one said they could disagree to disagree, but John said it all, he kept on posting on the subject.

Can't we just show each other respect, no matter what the topic is, and if we don't have something to add other than lets don't discuss this, y'all should not discus this or I don't post because there is a controversy on some subjects, or your going to make someone mad, or any such remarks as that, lets just don't post under that topic and let those who want to enjoy them self.

After all, if there is a problem Bro. Matt and or a moderator will take care of it without us jumping in, if anything if something is so bad wrong, the best thing to do is contact a moderator.

May God bless this message board and every member of it and may we have compassion for one another.

[Wilchbla]

Well, whatever the case there's nothing you can do about it now. If God wanted the South to win he would have made it so but for some reason he elected the North to win. All in his great scheme of things I guess.

It's interesting that in the war between the North and the South in Daniel 11 that the North wins.

[John81]

Well, whatever the case there's nothing you can do about it now. If God wanted the South to win he would have made it so but for some reason he elected the North to win. All in his great scheme of things I guess.

It's interesting that in the war between the North and the South in Daniel 11 that the North wins.

What's interesting is the point of it all has nothing to do with the war per se, but with the Constitution and why we no longer live in a Constitutional Republic and the fact the move towards socialism began long ago rather than recently as many believe.

It's all about knowing the truth of the past and why we are where we are today. Those who can manipulate the past to their own ends can better control the present and promote the future they desire. This is why liberals work so hard to eradicate true history from books and schools. Their propaganda is needed to help them put forth their agenda; which ultimately is them having ultimate control, full power, over everyone, so they can usher in what they believe will be paradise on earth.

This goes beyond just politics, it's also a part of the spiritual battle we are all to be engaged in.

[HappyChristian]

Posting a topic that some people don't want to discuss is not sowing discord. Posting a topic for the express purpose of arguing is. Answering a topic with the purpose of discussion and/or wanting to reach a conclusion is not sowing discord. But when a person goes into a thread that said person knows will upset them, and they post argumentative comments, belittling comments, or baiting comments, that is sowing discord.

Again, if people have a problem with certain topics - avoid those threads. I do. I don't like getting angry at my fellow Christian posters. Nor do I like engaging in verbal arguments. Discussion and debate are one thing. But argument and petty comments another completely.

If people don't want to discuss things pertaining to the Uncivil War and/or slavery, Lincoln, etc., then just don't go into those threads. What's unChristian about that?

Where is the freedom of expression that so many Christians tout...until a topic they don't like is posted? Yes, I know that we are to consider others first. But you know, there are many others on this board. And some others like to discuss one topic, while other others don't. And some other others like to discuss other topics, while different others don't. Do we create a litmus test for what topics are postable? Well, actually, we have that litmus test already: BroMatt and the moderators.

If a topic is taboo, then the Adminstrator of the board is the one who should call it - not a poster who just doesn't like the subject.

I'm sorry if anyone is offended by the subject of any time in our country's history. But it's history. It happened. Not discussing it because we don't agree with someone's take or we don't like the subject isn't the way to learn, and won't make the history go away - and it won't make us any more spiritual, either.

Understanding the why of what happened back then could really open people's eyes to the why of what's happening now. We learn from history. Or we repeat it.

[John81]

LuAnne!

[Wilchbla]

I know that but you'll never change anyones mind. My mind has changed somewhat about this issue but this came about through my own research, reading of the Bible and experience in life. I've come to the middle of the road position. As I mentioned before I do believe Licoln trampled the Constitution but I also believed his hand was forced to do this by meddling outside forces. I also don't believe that the Civil War (or whatever you want to call it) was fought simply over slavery (Northern revisionist history) or over State Rights (Southern revisionist history). It is somewhere is the middle and in the middle you'll find:

land=resources=trade=money=power

James 4:1,2

1: From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

2: Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

I Timothy 6:10

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

EVERY war comes down to this. There may have been some who in their own hearts were fighting to free slaves or for state rights but from the politicial point of view it is ALWAYS about money.

Europe (including the Vatican) still wanted the "colonies" (land, resources).

The North it was about trade competition with the South.

The South it was about the Feds favoring Northern trade interests over the South and the unfair tariffs.

The whole slavery thing was to generate interest among the poor saps who went to fight. Most of them could care less about trade competition but bring in a moral issue than you have something else.

The whole states rights thing was to generate patriotism among Confederate troops. Those damn Yankees are invading our homelands to enslave us.

Do a little research and you'll find that the abolitionist movement really had little effect of the citizens up North.

As I said before if Washington was truly that concerned for the slaves than they should have bought them out as they did in England. Studies have proven this would have been cheaper than a war that cost over 600,000 lives.

[Wilchbla]

Also, let me add, that once the bodies started to pile up many Northerners actually started to favor Southern secession just to get the war over. This is about the time Lincoln signed the Proclamtion. Some say this was to give another boost to Northern morale. It was clearly a war measure by Lincoln as the Proclamation itself says.

Now, therefore I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-in-Chief, of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, AND AS A FIT AND NECESSARY WAR MEASURE FOR SUPPRESSING SAID REBELLION...