Advanced Revelation

[Calvary]

I as well have read this thread with interest. I have refrained from commenting on it. Not that my opinion matters to many here anyways, but one thing I have noted amongst almost every poster is the premise of inspired writings.

Ya know, not to be a monkey wrench or anything, Peter says holy men of old SPAKE. It doesn't say anything about writing.

The Bible only uses the word inspire 2 times.

So I don't know where the idea that the "originals" as in some piece of paper are the only thing inspired.

In fact, as the writers committed it to paper, it was already going through the first transmission.

Hmm... I wonder about that copies can't be inspired school of thought. The "originals" were already a secondary source from the spoken words of the holy men of old. Yet many here insist that that is what is inspired.

God bless,

Calvary

[John81]

Well Calvary, whether I always agree with you or not, I appreciate what you put forth. You often raise some very good points which leads to deeper study. That's always a good thing!

[Samer]

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Timothy 3:15-17)

They spoke...it was written down. In any case, they are the words of God, whether spoken, written, or faithfully translated.

[Jerry]

I as well have read this thread with interest. I have refrained from commenting on it. Not that my opinion matters to many here anyways, but one thing I have noted amongst almost every poster is the premise of inspired writings.

THAT IS what Scripture means - literally, writings, and the Bible teaches it is Scripture that is inspired - not what the prophets spoke (though obviously that was from God). The holy Scriptures - the writings set apart by God.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[Kubel]

I agree with both Calvary and Jerry. Men were inspired as they spoke, and scripture was given by inspiration . Both are clearly supported by scripture.

[PeterAV]

Would that mean you believe the words of God were given originally, and then they were lost, and then completely recovered in 1611?

Edit: Which would, of course, contradict Ps. 12:6,7. :saint

Nope!
There is an Old Testament story exactly like that.
Don't you remember when they said,"We have found a book."
Later,"the Book"

[Jerry]

The Bible doesn't teach that ALL copies were lost - but it does teach that God providentially brought forth a copy at that time. I am sure there were various copies in other parts of the realm, but King Josiah did not have access to those. Doesn't mean none of the priests or prophets, etc. didn't have any access to God's Word.

[PeterAV]

Hmm...not a lot of evidence going on in this thread. The "translate" argument clearly has nothing to do with translating into another language and, as Will pointed out, Jeremiah had nothing to do with advanced revelation. So we still have no reason why all other translations should come from the KJV. Therefore, they are just idle words.

I would be careful Katy-Anne about what "I have been taught" seeing as you can't produce the evidence now. I would never believe anything that I wasn't prepared to defend.

Non KJB quotes,OK.
Nevertheless The KJB was Newly Translated.
The AV is doing exactly what God's word says it should.It agrees with itself.
Case in point,the word "Translate ",
The law of first mention;That the first mention of a term lays the ground work on the definition of the word in point.
First mention?
Try II Sam. 3:10
To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah,from Dan even to Beer-sheba.
Notice that translate has a key word in front of it.
To
So look at the verse, and what do we find,but that the Bible definition for translate has the root of "set up"
In this case set up as the final authority.
Kingdom and Throne are dead give aways.

Translate the kingdom
means
set up the throne
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Still no reason to go to the Holy Bible?
Good grief!
Not really a KJBer are ya?
The AV is the most trusted Book on the planet.
It is pure truth.
To say that there is no evidence as to it's veracity is enough to raise any truth seeking eye-brow.
The AV is a faithful rendition of the correct texts.
It includes the plural usages of terms as found in the Greek etc.
But all that aside,the Bible says that his word is pure.
We believe that,and so should you.
There are oganizations right now that are doing this and it has been done ever since the AV has been in existence.Namely,translating the AV into any plethora of local languages all around the world.
Some will also use the TR and proper Hebrew,as well.
I applaud their efforts.
The AV is the final standard.

[PeterAV]

Hey Will! My view is that there is stuff in the KJB that wasn't clear in the TR. The italics in the KJB prove this. Many copies of the TR disagree with each other, and God inspired the..Snip

Katy-Anne

I would like to see these disagreements.Can you point me to them?
I have several TRs in my collection of copies and would be curious to see for myself.

PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:

[PeterAV]

A book is biased toward a particular viewpoint. Internet discussion lets all viewpoints be tested against the facts.

Glad My Bible will stand that test.

PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:

[PeterAV]

Not in the same way as the original writers, John.

Those writers of the original autographs were actually Holy Spirit controlled to the point that their shoulder, arm, wrist, hand and finger muscles were under complete control and operation of the Holy Spirit.
SNIP!

Paul doesn't think so.1 COR.7

[Will]

I would like to see these disagreements.Can you point me to them?
I have several TRs in my collection of copies and would be curious to see for myself.

PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:

I think it's important to realize that not all variants are disagreements.

[Will]

Paul doesn't think so.1 COR.7

Not sure that I understand what you're saying.

[PeterAV]

I think it's important to realize that not all variants are disagreements.

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That is very true.

[Will]

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That is very true.

Some folks...particularly among "liberal scholarship" try to make the number of variants seem like it makes it impossible for us to have God's Word today. They'll claim that there can be over 13,000 variants between manuscripts, but what they fail to mention, either deliberately or unknowingly, is that most of those 13,000 variants are nothing more than minor spelling differences in the text. Some of the more radical elements of KJV-Onlyism try to use this argument as well to claim that it is impossible to have a new translation that is right. Both sides err in that they don't understand the issues of variants or textual criticism in the least bit.