King James Preferred

[Jerry]

Sure, KJVonlies cause division - when you take a stand for anything and against something else, that will ALWAYS cause division. Of course, if you don't take ANY stand, you will never rock the boat and will always get along with everyone. But since when are Christians supposed to be peacemakers at the expense of truth, or refuse to expose sin and compromise because to do so would be politically incorrect?

Is it really "loving" to be for everything? Seems to me, Thyatira - who was all lovey-dovey and embraced all kinds of error - got a much stronger rebuke than Ephesus - who stood exactly where they were supposed to stand, though along the way lost their devotion to Christ. We are to speak the truth in love - not throw out the truth to have some worldly form of "love", or throw out our love and be puffed up on our knowledge.

[Pastor Matt]

He said that's what he felt was wrong with the position, not the board. If his point were to rip on the board, his post would have read:


......I think the the biggest thing that's wrong with the position of onlyism is the division it causes......

If he felt that the position was wrong, and the board has that position, then how is that different?

Division would be us saying that you can't fellowship with us, and that is far from the case on these boards. Is division caused by us saying, all avatars must be no larger than 100 x 100 in size? So I guess you can say I am a KJVO & a SAO kind of guy (Small Avatars Only). It is just our rule for the boards and nothing else.

But overall, I think this board maintains a respectful and moderate group of KJVO's.

Thank you. :tip:

[Guest Guest]

Anyway, I agree with his point- most people that aren't KJVO don't go around condemning all people who don't use their preferred translation. I see the love of Christ reflected much more in 'freedom readers' than I do KJVOs. They don't call KJVOs "children of Satan", or suggest that they don't have a real Bible, or say they are part of an Alexandrian Conspiracy, "Bible bashers", "Bible correctors", etc... And that's an observation coming from someone who reads almost exclusively from and prefers the KJV.

I think the the biggest thing that's wrong with the position of onlyism is the division it causes. KJVOs have this attitude that it's "us v. them", as if anyone who isn't KJVO is an enemy. Don't get me wrong, not everyone is like that. There are a few respectful people that are KJVO, but overall it seems most KJVOs feel that "if you aren't KJVO, you are an enemy of God, and therefor aren't one of us". But overall, I think this board maintains a respectful and moderate group of KJVO's. :cooldude:

I have noticed this behavior among KJVO advocates too...truly a disgrace to the LORD our God.

[Pastor Matt]

I have noticed this behavior among KJVO advocates too...truly a disgrace to the LORD our God.

Exactly how many? Or I guess you can give a ballpark figure.


....and yes, I do have a point I am getting at.

[Calvary]

Calvary, you already know this but that is what we call TR only (as opposed to the texts the MVs came from). Your Spanish version is a TR Bible (not an MV text Bible). You use your Spanish version knowing that it is accurate, so how can you be KJVonly? If you were a French missionary, you would use the French Bible that is based on the same underlying text our KJV came from. Our English version is a TR Bible (not an MV text Bible).

I would agree with your assesment in a general sort of way. What you have just said is a good position. It is mine. But you have defined TR as it should be, not as it was used in the preceding posts. TR is a family, not a Greek text per se. TR is the recieved text used by the royal priesthood, the Body of Christ at any given juncture in time. I would agree with Doctor Sam Gipp on that point and call it the "Universal text type". There was a TR long before there was Erasmus.

Unfortunately when a kid says he is "TR" he doesn't realize what he's saying. When a man puts up 3 conflicting authorities and then says he is for all of them, yet prefers one over the others, then he is merely saying that his own opinion will be the definitive factor.

@ Kubel,

I have never said that any one is of the devil if they don't agree with me. I have never told someone that they are Bible correctors and enemies of the truth.. What I do say is blunt, to the point and many times too rough for the wannabe scholars who think themselves well rounded in their views. I say that your own opinion should not be your final authority. The word of God should be.
I know that many KJB only brethren say some harsh stuff. But perhaps you've never read Doug Kutilek, Bob Ross, Gary Hudson and others. All of them mock the KJB only position and infer that only a non Greek educated "heel" would believe such a fairy tale. Today, far too many conservative, orthodox fundamental Christians are bluffed and bullied into a middle of the road position that really is nothing but spinless.

Jerry made an excellent point, to take a stand is to be divisive. The very nature of doctrine is divisive. The very nature of God is to divide. He divided the night from the day, the seas from dry land, the Jews from the nations, the sheep from the goats and so on.

So to say I am KJB will cause division. But it's ironic that a Bible believer who believes in an error free Bible can be flamed by others that claim to believe in an error free Bible. The difference? I can hand you mine. The other side's exist only on a chalk board of theory. Your perfect Bible only existed once, a long time ago, your perfect Bible can win no one to the Lord, because it is not in print. Your perfect Bible can not be preached from as it was never bound in one single book, ever. Your perfect Bible can not even edify you as you do not read Greek well enough to even know where you are half the time. I guess I would rather have my perfect Bible in my hand and be flamed instead of kid myself into thinking that I am "spiritual" about it.
I use "you" as "ye".

[RandyW]

And you still joined and post. If you agreed to it then why are you complaining about it?

I was honestly answering a posted question. Your reply even further makes my point. Such behavor doesn't come from above.
Randy

[BlessedChristianlady8]

Lets put it this way since my Preacher and My church uses the King James Bible and then My Husband should use what the church and preacher uses. Then I am going to say we are King James People.

[Jerry]

I was honestly answering a posted question. Your reply even further makes my point. Such behavor doesn't come from above.

:loco And how does joining a message board - with clearly stated positions that you had problems with from the start - show wisdom from above? Joining for the purpose of causing division is certainly not "from above."

[Evan57]

Check it out in the website about KJV grade level compare with other bible versions:

http://www.greatpreachers.org/KJV_harder2read.html

Isn't that simple Holy Bible, Authorized King James Version??

Praise the Lord!!

Evan57 w/o hear

[Pastor Matt]

I was honestly answering a posted question. Your reply even further makes my point. Such behavor doesn't come from above.
Randy

It sounds like you have more of a problem with our position than we do of yours. :puzzled:

[RandyW]

It sounds like you have more of a problem with our position than we do of yours. :puzzled:

Again I answered the original question posted. My position is not to tell people what bible translation to use. If I post scriptures on this board I will comply with "your" rule.
Randy

[kevinmiller]

So do you just have a problem with standards in general or the KJV standard? I mean, would you rather they let you use any and all language on the board that happens to pop into your head at the moment? Or post pictures and links to anything and everything? Come on...

[Jerry]

If I post scriptures on this board I will comply with "your" rule.

Wow - mighty nice of you to do that! :uuhm:

[RandyW]

So do you just have a problem with standards in general or the KJV standard? I mean, would you rather they let you use any and all language on the board that happens to pop into your head at the moment? Or post pictures and links to anything and everything? Come on...

I think we should move on from this subject. I don't have problems with rules but the NIV is none of the above and posting in a another language wouldn't help peoples understanding on what I was stating. KIV uses outdated terms so its not my preferred translation.

Randy

[Pastor Matt]

All we ask is that you respect our position, you do not have to agree with it, but we do ask that you respect it. Simple as that.