An "ungodly" King

[Calvary]

On another thread some information was posted, sans sources of course, and basically I have more than a few books about King James, so here are some quotes from a few. King James was a baby sprinkling Protestant, yet his godly character, his virtuous and kind disposition are attested to by many historians, secular and Christian.

To state that King James was not godly, is simple ignorance. History confirms his Christian testimony intact.

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King James was not a godly man.


Hmm? let?s see?


King James believed that the Bible was dictated by God.
?The whole scripture is dictated by God?s spirit? and ?all that is necessary for salvation is contained in the scriptures? (King James the VI of Scotland and the I of England ? Unjustly Accused, Stephen A. Coston)

King James? love for the Bible is evidenced in a visit to Oxford in 1605. He asked that Bible verses be placed all over town, in homes, churches, schools and on buildings. (The life of King James the First, Edinburgh: 1830 cited by Coston p 309)

King James was evangelical. In his book which he wrote for his son ?Basilikon Doron? the King stated that he was ?Praying God that as you are regenerated and born in him anew, so you may rise to him and be sanctified in him forever?? with ?white robes washen in the blood of the lamb?? The King also said that ?faith is the free gift of God (as Paul sayeth). It must be nourished by prayer, which is no thing else but a friendly talking to God. Use oft to pray when ye are quiet, especially in bed?

The ?ungodly? King charged the clergy to be more ? ?careful, vigilant and diligent that you have ever been to win souls to God ? where you have been in any way sluggish before, now waken yourselves up again with a new diligence at this point? (Faith and Treason: The Story of the Gunpowder Plot ? Antonia Fraser)

In spite of the lie that continues of great persecution and the fleeing of Christians from under his rule, King James established the first Colony of Virginia for ?propagating Christian religion to such people as yet live in darkness and miserable ignorance of the true knowledge and worship of God?

?The inhabitants of those p[arts live in utmost ignorance of divine worship, and are completely deprived of the knowledge and solace of the word of God, and probably will remain and end their days in such ignorance unless such great evil is cared for as soon as possible. Therefore, we ought to end that, out of love for the glory of God, and desiring to work for the good and salvation of souls of those parts? Dedicate yourselves to and perform the ministry and preaching of the word of God in those parts??
(Cited by Coston ? pp 18, 16-22)


King James kept the sermons of the KJB translator Lancelot Andrews under his pillow. In 1656 William Sanderson wrote of James?s ?virtue and goodness?.
KJB translator George Abbot, summarized the godly character of King James by saying, he ?hath been so immaculate and unspotted in the world, so free from all touch of viciousness and staining imputation, that even malice itself, which leaveth nothing unsearched, could ever find true blemish in it, nor cast aspersion on it? All must acknowledge him to zealous as David, learned and wise, the Solomon of our age, religious as Josiah, careful in spreading Christ?s faith? just as Moses, undefiled in all his ways as Jehoshaphat, or Hezekiah, full of clemency?? (Bevan p 85)


King James wrote ?Evil is never to be done that good may happen.?

He called sodomy and witchcraft horrible crimes. He exhorted his son to ?Guard against corrupt lads? and effeminate ones? eschew to be effeminate in your clothes?enjoy the frequent hearing of the word of God.?

He wrote tracts against tobacco, smoking, homosexuality and encouraged the public reading of the scriptures always.

Any honest search into the life of King James would return to prove to any honest searcher that King James was a sinner saved b y grace, who propagated the Christian faith by word and deed.

Unlike Wescott and Hort who consulted spirits in necromancy, the godly King warned ?Consult with no necromancer? (Coston pg 52)


God bless,

Calvary

[Jerry]

Thanks for those quotes.

Differing in some doctrine doesn't in itself make someone ungodly (participating in evil and worldiness does). It's funny how some here are ecumenical, and will weep and cry out over the exposing of some false teacher who is off on major doctrines, but then will hypocritically slander someone (who defended the faith) over minor doctrines. Many true Christians don't stand on where the Bible does in regards to baptism - but that doesn't make them ungodly (it does make them wrong however). Did he teach baptismal regeneration? Not from what I have heard - he taught salvation through faith in Christ.

[IM4given]

:amen: Excellent post Bro. Calvary! (woops - did I say that out loud?!?! )

Would you care to come over for some pie and coffee the next time you are in my neighborhood??

[Calvary]

As long as you put the shot gun away. :uuhm:

[IM4given]

:nutty :haha :nutty

[John81]

Great post Calvary! :thumb

[Will]

King James killed a Baptist preacher for heresy. He also persecuted Puritans and others who were against the Church of England, which teaches that infants need to be baptized, and that Communion is more than merely symbolic. King James was not even close to being above reproach. His legacy is one of religious persecution, not religious tolerance. He did however, on the plus side, charge that the Authorized Version be created. That does not mean he was a godly person.


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[IM4given]

King James killed a Baptist preacher for heresy.

Will, who was this person? Do you have a name?

He also persecuted Puritans and others who were against the Church of England, which teaches that infants need to be baptized, and that Communion is more than merely symbolic.

Source please?

King James was not even close to being above reproach. His legacy is one of religious persecution, not religious tolerance

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Again, please quote your sources?

He did however, on the plus side, charge that the Authorized Version be created. That does not mean he was a godly person.


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What did King James ever do to you that makes you hate him so?

[Guest Guest]

I have a tough time believing that King James was as wicked as people try to put him up to be. The guy commissioned the translating of the Bible. How many wicked, vile folks would do that? And I don't think he got anything out of it like a modern bible translator does($$$). I don't doubt that he was a "terror" to his subjects but that's what kings were suppose to be.

[falin115]

I think satan is putting these negative thoughts into the media to discredit the KJV. Satan knows the KJV is the true word of GOD in english and does not want Christians reading it. So satan's plan is to discredit the true word of GOD and push believers over to the niv,nas, so on and so forth. These versions satan had a hand in and has quietly change the words to cause dought with-in the Church.

GOD placed on the heart of King James to have the Bible translated. :thumb

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

all the other versions are bait for the roaring lion (satan)

[Calvary]

King James felt so strongly about the translation that he said he would pay for it himself from "his own princely disposition [salary]."

History speaks of the Spanish Blanks, terrorist by our modern terminology, intents and plans to kill him. Jesuits tried to conspire to kill him on more occasion than just the famed Guy Fawkes complot. Today men try to kill him by character assasination.

King James said, and I quote, (unlike many detractors here):I will never allow in my conscience that the blood of any man shall be shed for diversity of opinions in religion, but I should be sorry that Catholics should so multiply as they might be able to practice their old pronciples upon us"

"I would be very sorry to punish their bodies for the error of their mind"

By his godly living and opposition to the teachings of the papist and Puritans [Calvinism], King James generated the decietful persecutors Christ said would follow all that will live godly in Christ Jesus - 2 Timothy 3:12

He did charge Sir Walter Raleigh with trying to "alter religion and bring in Roman superstition". He spoke in Parliment of his disapproval of Catholic practices and he made laws to curtail their infiltration into England.

God bless,

Calvary

[Guest Guest]

Not to get off topic but I took a book out of the library today that's about the personal notes that one of the King James Translators took while he was working on the Bible. Why they made the decisions they made on translating words, etc. Sounds fascinating.

Wil

[Calvary]

I wouldn't make the KJB my final authority on whether or not the King was a godly man or not. That is decided upon what the Bible actually says for itself, and the KJB is the ONLY English Bible that can meet the self defined requirements of the word of God.

But I have learned long ago, that many times, when the real evidence is scrutinized, often it portrays another story.

Sure King James was a king who believed in divine right to rule, infant baptism, church state and some other things.

I was however standing up for his character or personal piety. By all evidence available, James was a God fearing man.

God bless,

Calvary

[IM4given]

I wouldn't make the KJB my final authority on whether or not the King was a godly man or not. That is decided upon what the Bible actually says for itself, and the KJB is the ONLY English Bible that can meet the self defined requirements of the word of God.

But I have learned long ago, that many times, when the real evidence is scrutinized, often it portrays another story.

Sure King James was a king who believed in divine right to rule, infant baptism, church state and some other things.

I was however standing up for his character or personal piety. By all evidence available, James was a God fearing man.

God bless,

Calvary

Precisely! :thumb :amen:

[Calvary]

Is that Janet and Calvary in agreement on something??

:uuhm:

lol