SBC Baptism... is it good enough fo you and God?

[Guest Guest]

I had to vote "I can't answer this." because I don't think that "Who baptized you" is the right question to ask someone wanting to join the church. The right questions should be something along the lines of: "were you a Christian by the biblical definition when you were baptized' date=' understanding that it was for identification with and obediance to Christ and not for your salvation?" and "was it by immersion?". If the answer to these is yes, it matters not at all if the SBC or any other group baptized you... Conversely, if the answer to either of these is no, it matters not if you were baptized in the best IFB church in the nation, you would need to be re-baptized. :Green[/quote']

well said... er... typed.

[Will]

Let's assume they are saved and then get baptized in the SBC and join their church. Then they move to a new area... and want to join your church.l

From another thread.

An SBC baptism is completely valid.

Unless maybe you take the unscriptural position of Landmarkism.

[JerryNumbers]

Methodist no, RCC, no, Assembly of God, no, church of Christ, no, Lutheran, no, Pentecostal, no, Freewill Baptist, no, John Hagee's Church, no Joel Osteen's Church, no, 40 day purpose driven church, no, none denominational, no, Cowboy Church, no, and so on, and anyone who comes from a Baptist church would have to show where they were baptized and why, for many Baptist church will let anyone into their congregation regardless of who baptized them and what method was used.

Such churches as I listed above have no authority from God and have no right to baptized anyone. If they want authority, they need to hold to the whole truth. Their pastors are not God called pastors, if they were they would move to the churches who teach the whole truth and stop teaching less than the whole truth of God. Only Jesus' Churches have authority to baptize.

http://www.baptistpillar.com/bd0005.htm

http://www.baptistpillar.com/bd0586.htm

http://www.baptistpillar.com/bd0205.htm

And no, baptizing does not save a person.

[John81]

I'm no expert, but I know that John Hagee teaches biblical salvation and baptism so why wouldn't a baptism by him be acceptable?

[5dumplings@home]

very good question. Biblical salvation + immersion, what's the problem?

[John81]

very good question. Biblical salvation + immersion' date=' what's the problem?[/quote']

Yeah, I think that's one of the big questions here.

I know the Assembly of God church I attended in the early 80s taught biblical salvation and immersion but I'm not sure what they teach now.

In any event, if they teach proper biblical salvation and baptism, even if they are wrong on other things, why would the baptism be wrong?

[JerryNumbers]

Does John have authority to baptize? If he did he would teach the whole truth and get away from all those false teaches he hangs out with over there at TBN.

And, he should not even be a pastor, for he does not fit the qualification given in the Bible.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1 Tim 3:2 (KJV)

He is divorced.

[zealyouthguy]

So you believe that only certain PEOPLE in the certain churches can baptize someone. Who are those certain people? (we've heard about the certain churches, but who is to baptize in those churches?)

[kevinmiller]

Basically, you are saying that the Baptist church is the only true church. That is false.
Our pastor asks people who are joining our church if they have been baptized by immersion after salvation. He doesn't ask them what church it was done at.

May I remind you of Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch. Phillip baptized him upon his salvation. Phillip wasn't a pastor, he was simply a Christian who knew how to witness. That tell me that a baptism is not church-sanctioned, it can be done by any Bible-believing Christian.

[zealyouthguy]

Basically, you are saying that the Baptist church is the only true church. That is false.
Our pastor asks people who are joining our church if they have been baptized by immersion after salvation. He doesn't ask them what church it was done at.

May I remind you of Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch. Phillip baptized him upon his salvation. Phillip wasn't a pastor, he was simply a Christian who knew how to witness. That tell me that a baptism is not church-sanctioned, it can be done by any Bible-believing Christian.

Quit stealing my thunder man... :Bleh

Technically Philip was actually a deacon.

But if we are true baptist we believe in the priesthood of the believer. There isn't anything that a "pastor" can do that others can't. They are ordained, which simply means set apart to do it.

If we begin to say that only pastors, or pastors and deacons can baptize (since we are forced into that corner by Philip) then we have to look at:

Matthew 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

So this would have been directed only to "ordained" men, or pastors, or pastors and deacons. Preaching... it's their responsibility, discipling... it's their responsibility, baptizing... it's their responsibility.

And then ordination becomes a HUGE deal. What if someone isn't "properly" ordained, what if they misrule their house and are still pastors?

Are all the baptisms they do of none effect?

Praise God for a living, vibrant Christ who overcomes our failures.

[Will]

[quote="Jerry80871852"]Does John have authority to baptize? If he did he would teach the whole truth and get away from all those false teaches he hangs out with over there at TBN.

And, he should not even be a pastor, for he does not fit the qualification given in the Bible.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, [b]the husband of one wife[/b], vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1 Tim 3:2 (KJV)

He is divorced.[/quote]

Please show from Scripture where it says that only pastors may baptize? If you truly take this position, then logic would dictate that you believe the Great Commission to be only for pastors and not for the rest of us.

[Bakershalfdozen]

When a person is truly born again and follows the Lord in the first step of obedience which is Baptism, I say praise the Lord. If the person who baptized them later falls away, it doesn't affect anything. It is the believer's baptism, not the baptizer's baptism. I was baptized by a man who was later found to be an adulterer, rapist and a general scoundrel. It didn't affect my baptism though because I'm the one who believed and I'm the one who followed the Lord in believer's baptism.

And in answer to the OP, yes, if I was a pastor, I would accept any baptism that followed the Scriptural guidelines of true salvation first, obedient baptism second. If it was Scriptural, it doesn't matter what label you put on it because that is man-made stuff anyway.

[5dumplings@home]

Methodist no, RCC, no, Assembly of God, no, church of Christ, no, Lutheran, no, Pentecostal, no, Freewill Baptist, no, John Hagee's Church, no Joel Osteen's Church, no, 40 day purpose driven church, no, none denominational, no, Cowboy Church, no, and so on, and anyone who comes from a Baptist church would have to show where they were baptized and why, for many Baptist church will let anyone into their congregation regardless of who baptized them and what method was used.

Such churches as I listed above have no authority from God and have no right to baptized anyone. If they want authority, they need to hold to the whole truth. Their pastors are not God called pastors, if they were they would move to the churches who teach the whole truth and stop teaching less than the whole truth of God. Only Jesus' Churches have authority to baptize.

http://www.baptistpillar.com/bd0005.htm

http://www.baptistpillar.com/bd0586.htm

http://www.baptistpillar.com/bd0205.htm

And no, baptizing does not save a person.

Jerry, how can you say they have no authority from God? Where is the Scripture that proves that? If they preach the blood and preach immersion after the blood, then that is on target.

There are still Methodist churches that preach the basics of the faith so that people truly get saved. People do get saved in Assemblies churches. People get saved on street corners reading discarded tracts. Does it matter who distributed the tract? I don't think so.

God never once said that only those who use the Baptist denomination are the true church. You are condmning a whole lot of people to hell by your belief. And if your belief is correct, I hope you put your money where your mouth is and win countless souls a day.

[Guest Guest]

You are condmning a whole lot of people to hell by your belief.

BTW, I don't agree with his position, but he is talking about baptism, not salvation. I HOPE we all agree that it doesn't matter who told you the truth, or what authority they had, it only matters that it was the truth and you believed it. :Green

[5dumplings@home]

Are you sure he's just talking about baptism? It sounds (to me) like he's wrapping both together.