Supposedly Godly men who use other than KJB?

[Will]

I firmly believe, that the main problem with Christian growth is not the version used, but the lack of reading of the version owned.

[Jerry]

I know some people who read the NIV and/or some other MVs religiously (ie. regularly and devotedly). The problem is that they are getting fed watered down Christianity - sure they are actually growing in their faith, but how are they growing? They are learning to be more ecumenical, more watered down in regards to their Christianity (can't be united with all of Christendom if you start standing apart from them), more accepting of all they see under the banner of "Christianity" (therefore less Biblically discerning), more and more concerned about concepts and ideas rather than the actual words of Scripture and finding out exactly what the Bible says on some issue/doctrine, among other things. I don't believe we can honestly say the problem with Christendom is that they are not reading their Bibles - the problem is their Bibles are changed and they are getting fed different food! Their MVs teach a different Christianity!

[Will]

I know some people who read the NIV and/or some other MVs religiously (ie. regularly and devotedly). The problem is that they are getting fed watered down Christianity - sure they are actually growing in their faith' date=' but how are they growing? They are learning to be more ecumenical, more watered down in regards to their Christianity (can't be united with all of Christendom if you start standing apart from them), more accepting of all they see under the banner of "Christianity" (therefore less Biblically discerning), more and more concerned about concepts and ideas rather than the actual words of Scripture and finding out exactly what the Bible says on some issue/doctrine, among other things. I don't believe we can honestly say the problem with Christendom is that they are not reading their Bibles - the problem is their Bibles are changed and they are getting fed different food! Their MVs teach a different Christianity![/quote']

That isn't objective evidence or fact though. That is only representative of people that you know. I know people who read MV's and yet are the exact opposite. And I know people who read the KJV religiously and yet have all kinds of messed up doctrine, or who join hands with Catholics or other groups.

[Jerry]

You're right - it is just as much an opinion as your conclusion.

It might be opinion as to how many liberals or compromisers in Christendom actually read their MVs, though it is not an opinion that MVs water down doctrine and water down Christianity. We have given countless examples on these boards.

[dwayner79]

Dwayne' date=' who here said that it was in 1611 that is where the digression started?[/quote']Fair 'nuff... by implication, it would mean that sometime between 1611 and now the digression started... I'll amend to that, but the point still remains. Who gets to decide when the digression started.

Long and short is there will be no reconciling this. There are folks from different opinions and different conclusions. Some think the issue important enough to break fellowship over, some don't. I think the OP has been answered. If RayJr wants more clarification, feel free to ask.

[Pastor Matt]

it would mean that sometime between 1611 and now the digression started

Why would it? Just because I have a KJV Bible in my house, it does not make me grow spiritually by being in the house. The Bible must be read and applied to our lives for it to have any effect on us.
Just because it was around since 1611 does not mean that is when the digression started, it was more of a specualtion on your part rather than it a fact.

[Kubel]

I'm sure when the KJV, Tyndale Bible, Geneva, Bishops and other earlier English translations arrived, people believed they were in the end times, times of apostasy. Yet didn't those translations help people get closer to the truth? To be able to read the word of God and understand it in your own language is quite a blessing. Your argument could have been applied just the same to the KJV when it first came out.

[Jerry]

No matter how you look at it, we're 500 years closer to Christ's return than were those before the KJV came out. My argument about us being in the endtimes has to do with Biblical prophecy and its fulfillment, and not with Bible versions. The corrupt Bibles versions are just contributing to the prophesied apostasy that the NT teaches will come just prior to Christ's return.

[RayJr]

Nah Dwainer I don't need clarification. I was given clarification when I got saved He gave me the ability to know when the devil was triing to affect my Christian walk. I do not believe their is any other english language bible that is appropriate for a christian to use, Why because I wan't the truth, I believe that all others are inferior to the KJV you may disagree and thats fine. You have that right as you have stated you are a liberal Christian. I have enjoyed reading everones opinions and beliefs we shall do it again on other things for now I think this thread is done, but if you would I have anouther thread called Tell me your Testimony please go there and let me hear how you all came to know the Lord as your saviour. Thanks. Ray................