Caffeine.

[kevinmiller]

I like ginseng in water for energy as well. Plus, it's very refreshing tasting. I think you guys might not care for water because you're so used to drinking flavored and sweet stuff. Just a thought. Water is better for you. :wink

[John81]

I have a bottle of Ice Mountain water with me right now.

[zealyouthguy]

Here is my point: in the Bible the idea is plainly taught that a person cannot be controlled by "wine" and the Holy Spirit simultaneously; I believe that is the "spirit of the law" and therefore the principle we can derive from the Bible. The use of a substance becomes sinful when it takes control of the believer away from the Holy Spirit. The use of alcohol, THC, LSD, marijuana, cocaine, and a plethora of other mind-altering drugs is sin against God for this reason. As far as I know, caffeine doesn't have the same effect on people. I rarely drink coffee or eat chocolate or consume much of anything that I know of that contains caffeine nor do I really care or purposely avoid it.

God's word teaches us another principle, namely that it is not what enters the body that defiles it; it is what comes out, often specifically what comes out of the mouth.(Mark 7:20; James 3:6 ; Rev. 21:27)

I don't really understand your last line unless you are trying to say because I agree with you that what "came out" wasn't appropriate... but I am sure you will elucidate that.

Chemically speaking caffeine does indeed affect people in adverse ways, it's a psychoactive stimulant. It usually a matter of dosage (perhaps you've seen .357 Magnum caffeine pills, etc.) and people ability to metabolize it that determines it's affect on people.

Caffeine's effect on spiders, as illustrated by their web:


Caffeine intoxication is indeed possible, I will leave it to you to determine if you want to research it.

My point is (and I drink coffee) that there ARE Christians who believe that caffeine is wrong, but the vast majority think it's ok in moderation... Are we double-minded on this issue?


For fun, any of you who are interested in the spider webs... you can check out this site: http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/spiderdrugs.htm

[John81]

Seventh Day Adventists don't use caffeine.

[bzmomo7]

Seventh Day Adventists don't use caffeine.

Neither do Mormons. Anybody know what the Jehovah's witnesses think?

[John81]

Neither do Mormons. Anybody know what the Jehovah's witnesses think?

JWs think crazy! :Green

[bzmomo7]

JWs think crazy! :Green

What? And the other two mentioned don't? :lol:

[John81]

What? And the other two mentioned don't?

Well, yeah, but you didn't ask sooner. :frog

[kevinmiller]

I have a SDA aunt and uncle. :B :lol

[bzmomo7]

I have a SDA aunt and uncle. :B :lol

Sorry, Kev.

[Flourgirl]

If I DO NOT have my Pepsi for breakfast... I am a very grumpy person!!!! I have tried to wean myself off of caffeine before, but I got terrible headaches, so I jst gave in and enjoy my caffeine fix :thumb

[speerjp1]

I don't really understand your last line unless you are trying to say because I agree with you that what "came out" wasn't appropriate... but I am sure you will elucidate that.

Chemically speaking caffeine does indeed affect people in adverse ways, it's a psychoactive stimulant. It usually a matter of dosage (perhaps you've seen .357 Magnum caffeine pills, etc.) and people ability to metabolize it that determines it's affect on people.

Caffeine's effect on spiders, as illustrated by their web:


Caffeine intoxication is indeed possible, I will leave it to you to determine if you want to research it.

My point is (and I drink coffee) that there ARE Christians who believe that caffeine is wrong, but the vast majority think it's ok in moderation... Are we double-minded on this issue?


For fun, any of you who are interested in the spider webs... you can check out this site: http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/spiderdrugs.htm

I was only saying that we shouldn't put every chemical in existence on the same level as the chemicals that have the same effect as alcohol. Every chemical in varying doses can be detrimental or helpful.

The only reason I put the last sentence on there was a reminder that the evil we produce as Christians is what is defiling to our bodies; not necessarily what we consume. We sin against ourselves. I was not implying anything else. :smile

I don't think we are double-minded on the issue. Unless you can show me where I am wrong, I drew the line of distinction that the Bible drew for us in the New Testament concerning the principle that guides us in determining which chemicals are not okay for Christians to endulge in: chemicals whose power usurps the power of the individual to submit to the control of the Holy Spirit.

Just as a side note: People aren't spiders. :lol:

[matie-k]

What about spider man?? :puzzled: :Green

[kevinmiller]

What about spider man?? :puzzled: :Green

Here, here. Credit to whom credit is due. Let's not forget Spidey. :lol

[John81]

Did you see that California lawmakers are doing a study to see if they should classify caffeine as a toxin and place warning lables on certain drinks containing caffeine?

Oddly enough, even though coffee and tea both have more caffeine than the average soda, warning lables wouldn't apply to them because their caffeine comes naturally.

All of this even though scientific evidence shows no danger from moderate caffeine usage.