Thoughts on the NKJV

[Guest Guest]

Take a look at this article for more information about the errancy of the NKJV:

http://www.av1611.org/nKJv.html

[auburn_tiger]

I disagree these verses are at the back of the book for a reason I believe God was talking about His book. people disagree so that they feel better about different versions not cause they can prove me wrong.

I believe that the both of you are right to a degree. I believe that the primary application refers to what John wrote but the secondary application refers to the whole Bible.

[kevinmiller]

I believe that the both of you are right to a degree. I believe that the primary application refers to what John wrote but the secondary application refers to the whole Bible.

Secondary application? It's fine to take a verse like love your neighbor and apply that in different ways to show love. However, what you're talking about is a secondary interpretation, not application.

[John the Baptist]

I believe that the both of you are right to a degree. I believe that the primary application refers to what John wrote but the secondary application refers to the whole Bible.

The words of Revelation 22 where written 16 hundred years before the KJV Came into existence.

[Behold the Lamb]

I'm a new poster here who grew up in an IFB church. Forgive me for jumping in so quickly, but it grieves my heart to see so much bickering and hatred over a translation of the Bible. Lest we forget the most important thing of all..

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved." The words of our Lord, Savior, and King, Jesus Christ, John 3:16-17, NKJV.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved." The words of the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the earth, John 3:16-17, KJV

O praise the One who payed my debt and raised this life up from the dead!

[Jerry]

Bickering? The truth is not important? So it doesn't matter if the Devil wants to steal the Word of God from us - we should just let him do so without a protest?

[Behold the Lamb]

Bickering? The truth is not important? So it doesn't matter if the Devil wants to steal the Word of God from us - we should just let him do so without a protest?

He does it when he puts the focus on arguing amongst ourselves. The fact is, the New King James Version presents the same gospel that the King James Version does--the gospel of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ--"For God so loved the world...". I tried countless times to read the King James version a few years ago, but I never could keep in it, because every time I read it I seemed to spend more time trying to look up words and re-reading the same things repeatedly trying to figure out what it meant. I picked up a NKJV New Testament and read the entire thing with ease in a month.

I now understand the KJV a lot better (though not perfectly), and it's probably a mixture of the fact that I'm older now coupled with the fact that I've already read the NT in the NKJV. But having read the KJV version of the NT, I see the same gospel of the same God and the same Christ presented, and I see no reason to put the stumbling block of 1600s English in front of someone who did not grow up in church, and is probably even less familiar with the language of the King James version than I was. I just want them to read the gospel, and the heart and core of the gospel is John 3:16, which is exactly the same in the NKJV as it is in the KJV, aside from an "s" replacing a "eth" and a whosoever losing its "so".

Regardless, I'm not here to argue. I love the King James Version, but at the end of the day, we can't lose our focus on spreading the gospel because we were too busy arguing over translations. There is a huge literacy problem in America, and I would much prefer to have someone reading the NIV (which I am not a big fan of, by the way--I don't like that it removes some verses, the wording of it, or some of the changes it makes)--but at the end of the day, if they read the NIV, they will STILL read the gospel of Jesus Christ (it's in there), and I'd much prefer that over someone not reading any translation of the Bible because they didn't have the ability to understand King James English.

Am I compromising on my dislike of the NIV? Yep, I am. Because Their salvation & reading of the gospel > My pride. There are people who are saved after reading the gospel in the NIV, NKJV, NLT, and all other translations (even if the only ones I personally like are KJV and NKJV).

[John81]

With regards to the lost coming to Christ I'm pleased the Lord can use various versions to achieve this goal. I know many people who came to Christ while reading MVs.

This "argument" regarding versions and translations isn't one for the lost. This is an issue for those who are saved.

[Behold the Lamb]

With regards to the lost coming to Christ I'm pleased the Lord can use various versions to achieve this goal. I know many people who came to Christ while reading MVs.

This "argument" regarding versions and translations isn't one for the lost. This is an issue for those who are saved.

Awesome! Glad we can agree there. I've had people specifically tell me that cannot happen.

Personally, I don't care if someone is King James Only. I'm getting to where I read it more than any other version myself, as I attain a better understanding of its language. But I have known many people over the years who were so extreme in their KJO position that they would literally say that anyone reading anything else is "casting truth to the ground", that all non KJVO churches are apostate, and who would literally rip an NIV or other MV out of the hands of a sinner and tell them they needed to get a King James. Some people could have literally bowed down in front of a KJV and started worshipping it and it wouldn't have shocked me. I definitely realize that not all KJVO people do these things, and I doubt anyone here is like that, but I saw a lot of it. So maybe you can better understand where I'm coming from with this.

So I'm not asking anyone here to change their position--if you are King James only, fine--it's a great, beautiful, and accurate translation. But please don't let your position on the KJV be what causes division between yourself and other believers (like me), and please be careful not to beat non-believers or new Christians over the head with it--it's really discouraging for a new believer or a non-believer who didn't grow up in church and who is just now starting to come to the knowledge of Christ to be told that his Bible is of the devil.

Bless you all.

[Alimantado]

With regards to the lost coming to Christ I'm pleased the Lord can use various versions to achieve this goal. I know many people who came to Christ while reading MVs.

This "argument" regarding versions and translations isn't one for the lost. This is an issue for those who are saved.

On the contrary, it has been in this thread, because Bro. Perry seemed to suggest that Randy W was part of a self-righteous bastard horde who are going to hell on account of promoting the NKJV.

When the devil and his self-righteous bastard hordes who made Satan their father instead of God' date=' are cast into the deep abyss, Lord willing I'll be there too. If so, you'll know who I (Bro Perry) am when you (Randy W) here the words, "play your scrabble word games in hell"... [/quote']

[Jerry]

There is more to the issue of Bible versions than whether they present the Gospel or not. We need the Gospel to get saved - we need ALL the rest of the Word of God to teach us how to live. That is why the changes and deletions in MVs are so dangerous.

[Jerry]

On the contrary' date=' it has been in this thread, because Bro. Perry seemed to suggest that Randy W was part of a self-righteous bastard horde who are going to hell on account of promoting the NKJV.[/quote']

If Randy' salvation is in doubt it would be because of his rejection of certain Bible truths, not because he used another version of the Bible.

[Jerry]

But please don't let your position on the KJV be what causes division between yourself and other believers (like me)' date=' and please be careful not to beat non-believers or new Christians over the head with it--it's really discouraging for a new believer or a non-believer who didn't grow up in church and who is just now starting to come to the knowledge of Christ to be told that his Bible is of the devil.[/quote']

It is really discouraging for those of us contending for the pure Word of God to have others come along and attempt to tear up our work and say it doesn't matter.

[Guest Guest]

But please don't let your position on the KJV be what causes division between yourself and other believers (like me),

We don't cause division, the devil caused the division by adding leaven to the Word of God.

It is written:

"1 Kings 18:17-18 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and thou hast followed Baalim."

Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

please be careful not to beat non-believers or new Christians over the head with it

I certainly don't recommend "beating" a new Christian over the head with it. A new Christian is like a baby in many ways and you don't expect a baby to have the maturity and understanding of an adult. Further, the lost are just that, they have no guidance at all so we really can't expect much from them. Prayer, gentleness, and patience is what is called for. However, when you have those who should be adults acting as babies stronger measures are called for... I have limited patience for those who once knew the right and then claim a "new understanding" which is actually darkness.

As it is written:

Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

it's really discouraging for a new believer or a non-believer who didn't grow up in church and who is just now starting to come to the knowledge of Christ to be told that his Bible is of the devil.

That is why the news should be broken as gently and kindly as possible. It is a false compassion that ignores the truth for the sake of feelings.

[Behold the Lamb]

I find it really hard to believe that Satan would be responsible for anything that says "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." He's too busy writing the books for Eckhart Tolle that Oprah and all the zombies in America think are the new scriptures.



Guess that's supposed to be me. :sad



What is truth? Jesus is truth.

Bless you.