Thoughts on the NKJV

[RayJr]

These verses are referring to the book of revelation. John of Patmos is saying that no one should add to his apocolyptic prophesy. It wasn't a part of the Bible when it was written, as there was yet to be a Bible. Now, I don't think anyone should be changing the Bible, but I don't believe that these verses are a a biblical mandate to not do so.

I disagree these verses are at the back of the book for a reason I believe God was talking about His book. people disagree so that they feel better about different versions not cause they can prove me wrong.

[John81]

The KJB and the NKJV are NOT in agreement. That means one contains errors and cannot be the true Word of God.

[Bro. Perry]

These arguments about New Age Bible Versions are curious to me. I believe a lot of people don't fully appreciate the treasure they have. I am 45 years old and was a 4th generation JW., and a full time missionary at one point. I was raised on the New World Translation, as well as all the whacky Watchtower doctrines. I have hundreds of my relatives trapped in this "bible" cult..... because they think they are studying the bible.

Perhaps others' families haven't been so affected by the perversion of the Word of God, but I hold these perversions directly responsible for sending all my loved ones to Hell and causing me decades of confusion and hardship. And, please don't someone try and tell me that my family were going to hell anyway. I know how their minds work and I know the "scriptures" they cite as the word of God that keeps them in bondage to sin and death.... scriptures that are virtually identical in hundreds of instances to other New Age Bible Versions.

Even, after getting saved; it has taken me years to find out about the KJV and the IFB. Don't tell me all this confusion and division isn't by crooked design. I have experienced most of it first hand. I have seen the mostly barren wilderness outside of the KJV.

Now maybe some folks believe sound doctrine using a New Age Bible Version .... fine. I'm glad you are saved. Just keep in mind that there are millions of folks like my family that weren't so lucky. If a person's conscience will allow them to touch one of these versions, then please make room for people like me whose conscience will not allow me to uncritically hear, (much less read) even one more perverted scripture citation of God's Word.

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD
? Amos 8: 11

Personally, I put all my Nasb, NIV et. al. ; into the garbage can along with all my Watchtower publications. I look at it this way; When I see a copper head snake in my backyard where my children are playing, I get a shovel and cut his head off. I certainly don't want to bring him into my house for study. But then again, I'm probably just narrow minded. :loco

Just my .02

[John81]

These arguments about New Age Bible Versions are curious to me. I believe a lot of people don't fully appreciate the treasure they have. I am 45 years old and was a 4th generation JW., and a full time missionary at one point. I was raised on the New World Translation, as well as all the whacky Watchtower doctrines. I have hundreds of my relatives trapped in this "bible" cult..... because they think they are studying the bible.

Perhaps others' families haven't been so affected by the perversion of the Word of God, but I hold these perversions directly responsible for sending all my loved ones to Hell and causing me decades of confusion and hardship. And, please don't someone try and tell me that my family were going to hell anyway. I know how their minds work and I know the "scriptures" they cite as the word of God that keeps them in bondage to sin and death.... scriptures that are virtually identical in hundreds of instances to other New Age Bible Versions.

Even, after getting saved; it has taken me years to find out about the KJV and the IFB. Don't tell me all this confusion and division isn't by crooked design. I have experienced most of it first hand. I have seen the mostly barren wilderness outside of the KJV.

Now maybe some folks believe sound doctrine using a New Age Bible Version .... fine. I'm glad you are saved. Just keep in mind that there are millions of folks like my family that weren't so lucky. If a person's conscience will allow them to touch one of these versions, then please make room for people like me whose conscience will not allow me to uncritically hear, (much less read) even one more perverted scripture citation of God's Word.

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD
? Amos 8: 11

Personally, I put all my Nasb, NIV et. al. ; into the garbage can along with all my Watchtower publications. I look at it this way; When I see a copper head snake in my backyard where my children are playing, I get a shovel and cut his head off. I certainly don't want to bring him into my house for study. But then again, I'm probably just narrow minded. :loco

Just my .02

That's the right kind of "narrow minded" to be! :thumb

[ptwild]

disagree these verses are at the back of the book for a reason I believe God was talking about His book. people disagree so that they feel better about different versions not cause they can prove me wrong.

"not cause they can prove me wrong?" What is this, an eighth grade social studies debate? And wouldn't the burden be on you to prove you are right, no someone else to prove you are wrong?

When John of Patmos penned Revelation there was no Bible, thus he couldn't have been talking about the Bible. Revelation is the last book of the New Testament because it was the last book to be voted in at Nicea. It also barely got in the New Testament. I dont' remember the exact vote count off the top of my head but I know that it had the most narrow margin of all the other books and epistles. In any event, I don't believe anyone should be "changeing" the Bible.

[kevinmiller]

"not cause they can prove me wrong?" What is this, an eighth grade social studies debate? And wouldn't the burden be on you to prove you are right, no someone else to prove you are wrong?

When John of Patmos penned Revelation there was no Bible, thus he couldn't have been talking about the Bible. Revelation is the last book of the New Testament because it was the last book to be voted in at Nicea. It also barely got in the New Testament. I dont' remember the exact vote count off the top of my head but I know that it had the most narrow margin of all the other books and epistles. In any event, I don't believe anyone should be "changeing" the Bible.

:goodpost:

[Ashlee]

Every book in the Bible, every verse, is there for a reason. God made His Word for us, so no matter the vote count, Revelation was meant to be in the Bible, and when God inspired John to write it, he put those verses there for a reason.

[RayJr]

So ya'll are saying that God had nothing to do with putting the books of the bible together it was all mens doings, thats what i'm hearing, it's actually a beat to death horse that people have taken the book that God gave the english speaking people as our word of God and perverted it. wether you agree or not its right, you can keep decieving yourself and others if you like. I'm sorry you have allowed the devil to blind you to the truth.

[RandyW]

These arguments about New Age Bible Versions are curious to me. I believe a lot of people don't fully appreciate the treasure they have. I am 45 years old and was a 4th generation JW., and a full time missionary at one point. I was raised on the New World Translation, as well as all the whacky Watchtower doctrines. I have hundreds of my relatives trapped in this "bible" cult..... because they think they are studying the bible.

Perhaps others' families haven't been so affected by the perversion of the Word of God, but I hold these perversions directly responsible for sending all my loved ones to Hell and causing me decades of confusion and hardship. And, please don't someone try and tell me that my family were going to hell anyway. I know how their minds work and I know the "scriptures" they cite as the word of God that keeps them in bondage to sin and death.... scriptures that are virtually identical in hundreds of instances to other New Age Bible Versions.

Even, after getting saved; it has taken me years to find out about the KJV and the IFB. Don't tell me all this confusion and division isn't by crooked design. I have experienced most of it first hand. I have seen the mostly barren wilderness outside of the KJV.

Now maybe some folks believe sound doctrine using a New Age Bible Version .... fine. I'm glad you are saved. Just keep in mind that there are millions of folks like my family that weren't so lucky. If a person's conscience will allow them to touch one of these versions, then please make room for people like me whose conscience will not allow me to uncritically hear, (much less read) even one more perverted scripture citation of God's Word.

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD
? Amos 8: 11

Personally, I put all my Nasb, NIV et. al. ; into the garbage can along with all my Watchtower publications. I look at it this way; When I see a copper head snake in my backyard where my children are playing, I get a shovel and cut his head off. I certainly don't want to bring him into my house for study. But then again, I'm probably just narrow minded. :loco

Just my .02

Amos 8:11 (New King James Version)

New King James Version (NKJV)

11 ? Behold, the days are coming,? says the Lord GOD,

? That I will send a famine on the land,
Not a famine of bread,
Nor a thirst for water,
But of hearing the words of the LORD.

[ptwild]

So ya'll are saying that God had nothing to do with putting the books of the bible together it was all mens doings' date=' thats what i'm hearing,[/quote']

It's not what you are "hearing" but what you are assuming. I have faith that the Holy Spirit was present at Nicea. I (nor Kevin to my knowledge) have never advocated changing the Bible. I merely pointed out that the verses from Revelation that speak to not taking away nor adding to are refering to the book of Revelation, not the collection of books and letters that later became the Bible.



What good do you think saying stuff like this actually does? Exactly what kind of fruit am I supposed to pick from you?

[RandyW]

The NKJV can also be called the NOT KJV. that would be a more accurate name. I know Zondervan has made several changes in their KJV. When I found this' date=' I went and bought another brand. Any change to the Word is a perversion. Look at Revelation chapter 22, [18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

NKJV
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add[j] to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[k] his part from the Book[l] of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

[Bro. Perry]

I merely pointed out that the verses from Revelation that speak to not taking away nor adding to are refering to the book of Revelation, not the collection of books and letters that later became the Bible.

It's kinda like when a father catches his son writing in one of his study books and strongly tells him not to mark it up. A loving son won't do it in any of his books from then on. However, someone else might reason that he didn't specifically state not to deface other books.

Excellent point, thanks for bringing this out.

[RandyW]

The KJB and the NKJV are NOT in agreement. That means one contains errors and cannot be the true Word of God.

They are in agreement about Jesus and that certainly isn't coming from the evil one.

Randy

[Jerry]

Hm, the Bible only contains warnings in Deuteronomy, Proverbs, Jeremiah and Revelation not to add or subtract (plus 2 Peter, not to twist or change) from God's Word - so you believe that we are only forbidden from playing around with and distorting those five books, but God never meant those verses to be applied to all the rest of Scripture? Hey all you Bible critics: you've got 61 books that God lets you play around with...

[Bro. Perry]

RandyW writes concerning the KJV and the NKJV :

They are in agreement about Jesus and that certainly isn't coming from the evil one.

Agreement about what? His existence? Of course Satan is interested in twisting the Lord's words, and not simply denying his existence. Let's look at your supposed agreement here:

Matthew 7: 14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. - KJV

Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. - NKJV

whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it. - NWT

The NKJV and the Jehovah's Witness bible are harmonious in their heresy here; having the way to life as being difficult and cramped. Gods says that getting life is simple.... confessing Jesus Christ as our Lord. The path to life is narrow because Jesus alone is the gate keeper and people are not allowed to jump over the fence .... which is surely more difficult than simply walking in. The devil wants people to believe that avoiding hell requires great ability of some sort instead of the simple surrender of our pride.

John 10 - He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold