Was Adam's sin passed down to all of mankind???

[BrotherTony]

In one of the discussion groups I am a part of, there are several pastors/preachers/seminary students was conducting a poll of whether or not Adams sin was passed down to the whole human race....Personally, I believe the Bible is pretty clear that it was...They keep using the terminology "his original sin"...to which I posed a question...Isn't there more than one sin attributed to Adam in the Garden of Eden? 1)He allowed his wife to influence his decision when God had given clear instructions NOT to eat of this particular tree  2) I find it hard to believe he properly instructed his wife (if he had, he definitely went wrong somewhere by voluntarily following her in eating of the tree 3) He lusted for not only the fruit of the tree, but for the knowledge that eating of it would bring. There are more, but I'll leave it at these. This isn't about what I believe or don't believe, but about why these "preacher boys" would believe that sin wasn't passed down to all makind through Adam. What say ye? Thanks in advance.

BT

[Razor]

I do not believe their sin was passed down. I do think their propensity to sin was passed to us. 

[Jerry]

In Romans 5, the Bible makes it pretty clear that Adam's sin/sin nature was passed down to all his descendants. That is why we die - due to our sin nature. No one is condemned to Hell because of their sin nature though, but because of their personal sins. The age of accountability is the term often used when a child dies that is too young to understand the moral judgement of their own sins.

[HappyChristian]

1 hour ago, BrotherTony said:

 This isn't about what I believe or don't believe, but about why these "preacher boys" would believe that sin wasn't passed down to all makind through Adam. What say ye? Thanks in advance.

BT

The easy and obvious answer is that they simply don't believe what God says in His Word. He makes it quite clear that sin is indeed passed down from Adam. But too many people think they're smarter than God and can reason it away because they don't want to believe it.

[Jerry]

Yes, that viewpoint just does not fit modern Christendom's "positive" outlook on their life. I don't need a Saviour because I am good in myself (therefore the world must be getting better too); can't believe in inherited sin because that would mess with my unbiblical outlook!!

[Razor]

32 minutes ago, Jerry said:

Yes, that viewpoint just does not fit modern Christendom's "positive" outlook on their life. I don't need a Saviour because I am good in myself (therefore the world must be getting better too); can't believe in inherited sin because that would mess with my unbiblical outlook!!

We all need to be saved because of our sins, not for the sin of Adam and Eve. I do not believe in the Catholic doctrine of Original Sin. 

[HappyChristian]

3 minutes ago, Razor said:

We all need to be saved because of our sins, not for the sin of Adam and Eve. I do not believe in the Catholic doctrine of Original Sin. 

It is not catholic doctrine, other than what they ripped off from scripture. Read Romans and you will see that, indeed, Adam's sin is imputed on ALL of us. As Jerry pointed out, it is our personal sin that is between us and God, but we are all dead in Adam, inherited the seed of sin from him. You might not like it, but when you argue against it, you are arguing against God's clear Word.

[Razor]

25 minutes ago, HappyChristian said:

It is not catholic doctrine, other than what they ripped off from scripture. Read Romans and you will see that, indeed, Adam's sin is imputed on ALL of us. As Jerry pointed out, it is our personal sin that is between us and God, but we are all dead in Adam, inherited the seed of sin from him. You might not like it, but when you argue against it, you are arguing against God's clear Word.

As I said, I believe that we are not guilty of Adam and Eve's sin, but we inherited their sinful nature and have to repent of our own sins. To believe otherwise is to buy into the Catholic doctrine of original sin. Believing in original sin means you believe that an infant who dies will go to hell as they are guilty of sin, but have not repented. That is the logical conclusion of that doctrine. That is why Catholics insist on infant baptism. 

original sin, in Christian doctrine, the condition or state of sin into which each human being is born; also, the origin (i.e., the cause, or source) of this state. Traditionally, the origin has been ascribed to the sin of the first man, Adam, who disobeyed God in eating the forbidden fruit (of knowledge of good and evil) and, in consequence, transmitted his sin and guilt by heredity to his descendants.

The doctrine has its basis in the Bible. Although the human condition (suffering, death, and a universal tendency toward sin) is accounted for by the story of the Fall of Adam in the early chapters of the book of Genesis, the Hebrew Scriptures say nothing about the transmission of hereditary sin to the entire human race. In the Gospels also there are no more than allusions to the notion of the Fall of Man and universal sin. The main scriptural affirmation of the doctrine is found in the writings of St. Paul and particularly in Romans 5:12–19, a difficult passage in which Paul establishes a parallelism between Adam and Christ, stating that whereas sin and death entered the world through Adam, grace and eternal life have come in greater abundance through Christ.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/original-sin

 

 

[Jerry]

Why not be Biblical instead of rejecting something because some other people taught false things about it?

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 5:18-19 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

[TheGloryLand]

Babies are born sinners. Right Bro. Tony, you can be a man, born and locked into a very dark room for your whole life, never seen a woman, and die a sinner.

[Jerry]

That is exactly what those verses quoted above teach. If there was no sin passed down to a child, that child would never die - but Romans 5 teaches death comes to ALL life (even to this whole creation) through Adam's sin.

Though as I already stated previously, no person is ever sent to Hell for inherited sin nature, but is judged for their own personal sins - unless they have trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ and His payment for their sins.

Edited February 7, 2022 by Jerry
Clarifying an unclear sentence

[HappyChristian]

I'll stick to the Bible, not the encyclopedia.

[SureWord]

The fallen nature of Adam was passed on to all but sin is not imputed until there's knowledge of the law. That is important to understand. The doctrine of imputation. Along with that comes death.

[Jerry]

Death comes any time after we are conceived, regardless of whether someone understands their sin or not, or has it imputed/charged to them or not. Of course, children are not judged for their sin until they can understand it is against God and a result of their personal choice (I feel like I have not worded this very well, but I am sure the readers here can figure out what I am trying to say).

[SureWord]

10 hours ago, Jerry said:

Death comes any time after we are conceived, regardless of whether someone understands their sin or not, or has it imputed/charged to them or not. Of course, children are not judged for their sin until they can understand it is against God and a result of their personal choice (I feel like I have not worded this very well, but I am sure the readers here can figure out what I am trying to say).

Death comes anytime after conception regardless of imputation? Wow, I didn't know that. I thought all babies, including the unborn, willingly and knowingly violated God's laws.

Maybe if I was saved I would realize that.

Maybe you need to understand there's spiritual death.

 

 

 

Edited February 8, 2022 by SureWord