Textual/version stance

[Bakershalfdozen]

Let's take a really mundane example: a discussion about where we should go out to eat. We all feel like eating Chinese food. My friend says, "Well, it's all the same to me. I don't care whether or not we go to Twin Dragons, The Pagoda, or Fried Feline. They all serve the same kind of food; it's all alike." Another friend pipes up and says, "Twin Dragons is so much better than The Pagoda or Fried Feline. It's the only Chinese place in town I'd recommend to anyone." What would be the next reasonable thing we'd all expect to hear (and that would almost certainly follow)? An explanation of what makes that the "only good Chinese place to eat." The person who makes the claim provides an explanation.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't want to go to a place called Fried Feline either. :frog


Ok, :back:

[John81]

:lol: I'm with you Jess! We can just skip that one without knowing any more. :tum



Seth (or anyone), Are there any shorter videos or another source for them? It's been about 45-50 minutes now and I've only been able to watch 7 minutes and 20 seconds of it. :sad

[JerryNumbers]

KJ 1611

Psa 12:6 The wordes of the Lord are pure wordes: as siluer tried in a fornace of earth purified seuen times.

Dr Ruckman, Few around here care for him, including myself.

4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1 Cor 3:4 (KJV)

But this talk of Dr. Ruckman reminds me a bit of the verse right above.

Dr. Ruckman has written many things that does not line up with the Bible, many of his quotes have already been posted and they are clearly do not follow the Bible, but even more than than, his life does not match that of a man of God, a pastor, that is qualified in the sight of God.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
1 Tim 3:2-7 (KJV)

6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
Titus 1:6-10 (KJV)


Yes, probably he met these qualifications at one time, but when he failed to meet them anymore, he failed God by not stepping down. Therefore he put himself above God in deciding what is right and wrong and competely disobeyed God.

But it becomes no one, to lean so hard on a mere man, after all we are suppose to be followers of Christ and Christ only.

I don't care about such debates as these, hardly ever get involved in them. They never end doing anyone the least bit of good as Seth has already stated under this topic. And for those standing on the outside looking in, the lost, it surely does not help win them to Christ, so it does not glorify Christ.

[John81]

I wouldn't say such discussions or debates "never" do any good.

Back around '97 and '98 I used to post on a Yahoo Club. While there I encountered some very "anti" type of people. One in particular used to jump on everything I posted. Eventually that person became a Mod of that Club and banned me.

Jump ahead a few years and I encountered this same person on a different forum. His screen name was a bit different but I thought it was him even though he was now on our side. After I asked him about it I found out it was indeed him. He apologized for the way he had acted those years previously and said he was glad people like me hadn't gave up putting forth the truth in a decent manner since his eyes had finally been opened because of it.

One man soweth, another man watereth, another man reapeth but all share in the harvest.

Gods Word never returns void.

How do we know that we, or another, isn't in this place at this time for just this purpose?

This is why we should always be ready and willing to provide answers in a kind manner. If we put forth such we can trust the Holy Ghost to use it to the glory of God.

[Guest Guest]

Psa 12:6 The wordes of the Lord are pure wordes: as siluer tried in a fornace of earth purified seuen times. Dr Ruckman, Few around here care for him, including myself. 4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 1 Cor 3:4 (KJV) But this talk of Dr. Ruckman reminds me a bit of the verse right above. Dr. Ruckman has written many things that does not line up with the Bible, many of his quotes have already been posted and they are clearly do not follow the Bible, but even more than than, his life does not match that of a man of God, a pastor, that is qualified in the sight of God. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 1 Tim 3:2-7 (KJV) 6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. 7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; 8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; 9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. 10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Titus 1:6-10 (KJV) Yes, probably he met these qualifications at one time, but when he failed to meet them anymore, he failed God by not stepping down. Therefore he put himself above God in deciding what is right and wrong and competely disobeyed God. But it becomes no one, to lean so hard on a mere man, after all we are suppose to be followers of Christ and Christ only. I don't care about such debates as these, hardly ever get involved in them. They never end doing anyone the least bit of good as Seth has already stated under this topic. And for those standing on the outside looking in, the lost, it surely does not help win them to Christ, so it does not glorify Christ.

KJ 1611

Jerry(numbers), we've discussed Dr. Ruckman and his divorces so many times, but the Bible says husband of one wife, and he is the husband of one wife. If I were you I'd leave that one alone.

As far as his other "unbiblical" things: every single thing Dr. Ruckman has written is completely backed up by Scripture; if you disagree then perhaps you should spend as much time studying it as Dr. Ruckman has. :smile He has reasons for saying what he does, and a man who has stood for the King James Bible for over 50 years (if not more) without wavering an inch, and has written dozens of books in its defense, as well as being attacked from all sides the whole time, should get at least enough respect from the average Christian to study before making brash claims about him being unbiblical.

You don't have to like Dr. Ruckman, and you don't have to agree with him, but you'd better at least learn from his mouth and writings what he believes, and STUDY from the Bible before claiming that he's wrong. He's been in the fight longer than half of us put together. I don't agree with Jack Hyles' teachings, but I at least respect him because of his service to God.

[Guest Guest]

:amen: :goodpost: KJB_Princess. :smile Many Christians do not read far enough into Dr. Ruckman's books to really understand that he is reaching out to lost souls in the most courageous way. He is preaching the truth w/o apology, and I admire a man of God who does this. He NEVER wavers. He is an intellect, and at the same time may comes across to some IFB's as being superior to them. That is far from the truth...he has suffered MUCH criticism b/c he preaches the Bible, and doesn't get caught up with the traditions of men. Again, you would be surpised at the number of unsaved people who come to know the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ through the preaching of Dr. Ruckman. Christians have been taught properly under Ruckman's teachings. They do not waver on the KJV 1611 AV, either. We are NOT all men-spirited, but do NOT apologize for God's Holy word, either. :thumb

[color=#0000FF]II Timothy 2:15...Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. KJV 1611 AV. [/color]

candlelight

[rancher824]

[quote="KJB_Princess"]

Jerry(numbers), we've discussed Dr. Ruckman and his divorces so many times, but the Bible says husband of one wife, and he [i]is[/i] the husband of one wife. If I were you I'd leave that one alone.

As far as his other "unbiblical" things: every single thing Dr. Ruckman has written is completely backed up by Scripture; if you disagree then perhaps you should spend as much time studying it as Dr. Ruckman has. :smile He has reasons for saying what he does, and a man who has stood for the King James Bible for over 50 years (if not more) without wavering an inch, and has written dozens of books in its defense, as well as being attacked from all sides the whole time, should get at least enough respect from the average Christian to [b]study[/b] before making brash claims about him being unbiblical.

You don't have to like Dr. Ruckman, and you don't have to agree with him, but you'd better at least learn from his mouth and writings what he believes, and STUDY from the Bible before claiming that he's wrong. He's been in the fight longer than half of us put together. I don't agree with Jack Hyles' teachings, but I at least respect him because of his service to God.[/quote]

I have not read all the discussions on OB concerning the fact that Ruckman has been married more than one time. I do know it to be true and that the Bible says he is not qualified to pastor due to it. But that is not my point by this post. KJBprincess, to me this is a very disrespectful post. For a lady in her 20's to tell a man in his 60's he needs to study to find out that her side is correct is very disrespectful. I do not agree with Jerry on all things. Him and I have had some confrontations. But he is still a elder brother in Christ. I know you are compering Jerry's stand to Ruckman's. But you do not have the years to have studied it out as well as he. Give verses to show him wrong is one thing. But your statement that Ruckman has been in the fight for longer than half us put together does not fit to a man in his 60's. I will admit I have not read much from Ruckman. What I have I do not care for. What I have read you say you agree with Ruckman on puts me in a possition of feeling that what I know about him is correct. That what the others here say is correct. That he is a man to stay away from. I stand strong on my KJV of the Bible. It is equal to my being able to read from the TR manuscripts. It is no better. If it is "better" than I believe I might as well throw it and them away, for God would not have been able to preserve his word, but had to regive it in 1611 because it was no longer good enough. I would also have to ask myself when will the KJV not be good enough and him have to give another inspiration that will be better. Brings lot's of questions to my mind.

[Guest Guest]

Well for anyone that doesn't know much about ruckman I would just encourage you to watch this particular sermon of his on youtube; assuming your computer connection will allow you to listen to it. Listen carefully to everything he says, and listen to the whole thing. It is a full length sermon, unprofessionally recorded and about an hour an 15 minutes long. I don't think any Christian who knows much scripture could possibly be neutral to ruckman after carefully listening to the whole thing. The mans words speak for themselves... They don't come even close to lining up with scripture... Yet if you don't already know about him you should hear it so that you can know about ruckman and ruckmanism from the mans own mouth. This kind of thing is sometimes passed off as "IFB" but it isn't, and he isn't.

[tube]NFx6B3Lwwoo&feature[/tube]

[kevinmiller]

Jerry(numbers), we've discussed Dr. Ruckman and his divorces so many times, but the Bible says husband of one wife, and he is the husband of one wife. If I were you I'd leave that one alone.

As far as his other "unbiblical" things: every single thing Dr. Ruckman has written is completely backed up by Scripture; if you disagree then perhaps you should spend as much time studying it as Dr. Ruckman has. :smile He has reasons for saying what he does, and a man who has stood for the King James Bible for over 50 years (if not more) without wavering an inch, and has written dozens of books in its defense, as well as being attacked from all sides the whole time, should get at least enough respect from the average Christian to study before making brash claims about him being unbiblical.

You don't have to like Dr. Ruckman, and you don't have to agree with him, but you'd better at least learn from his mouth and writings what he believes, and STUDY from the Bible before claiming that he's wrong. He's been in the fight longer than half of us put together. I don't agree with Jack Hyles' teachings, but I at least respect him because of his service to God.

I don't think it's respectful to insinuate that Jerry hasn't been studying his Bible as much as Ruckman cause he disagrees with him. The same thing's been said about me more than once around here and I don't think it's right at all. :2cents

[Guest Guest]

Well for anyone that doesn't know much about ruckman I would just encourage you to watch this particular sermon of his on youtube; assuming your computer connection will allow you to listen to it. Listen carefully to everything he says, and listen to the whole thing. It is a full length sermon, unprofessionally recorded and about an hour an 15 minutes long. I don't think any Christian who knows much scripture could possibly be neutral to ruckman after carefully listening to the whole thing. The mans words speak for themselves... They don't come even close to lining up with scripture... Yet if you don't already know about him you should hear it so that you can know about ruckman and ruckmanism from the mans own mouth. This kind of thing is sometimes passed off as "IFB" but it isn't, and he isn't.

[tube]NFx6B3Lwwoo&feature[/tube]

I agree that everyone should try to watch this video! This is one of my favorite videos of Dr. Ruckman. My husband and I have watched it many times and we get a blessing out of it every time!

We're actually re-watching it right now. :lol It's awesome!!!!!!

[Guest Guest]

I agree that everyone should try to watch this video! This is one of my favorite videos of Dr. Ruckman. My husband and I have watched it many times and we get a blessing out of it every time!

There you have it, two people who agree on almost nothing actually agree on this.

Surely a must watch. :lol:

[Guest Guest]

There you have it, two people who agree on almost nothing actually agree on this.

Surely a must watch.

Seth...with all due respect, what does your comment mean above? :puzzled:

candlelight

[Guest Guest]

Seth...with all due respect, what does your comment mean above?

It means KJB_Princess, her husband, and myself generally have a radically different view of scripture. Most long term active board members, including KJB_Princess and her husband, know that. :wink

[Guest Guest]

I gottcha. :thumb Unfortunely, I can't get u-tube at this moment. :sad Soemthing has gone wrong with my PC, and it won't come up for me. I'll try to fix it later this week so that I can watch the famous Dr. Ruckman. :lol

candlelight

[JerryNumbers]

How right you are.