Per The Request Of Candlelight

[JimsHelpmeet]

I give a regular offering. I usually use the 10% mark for convenience sake. I take 10% of the income, round it to the nearest dollar, and then go fro there. Since my husband gets paid every other week, our offering for church expenses is our largest, twice-monthly offering and the weeks in between we give to missionaries our church helps support. So, when it's all said and done, it comes out to maybe 15-20%, taking offerings to missions and any love offerings we contribute to. We also purchase our own Sunday school supplies and things of that nature that we give to the church. I also consider that a form of sacrificial giving, because we don't ask the church to reimburse us. 

 

The New Testament body of believers are not called to give a Jewish tithe. We are to be cheerful, sacrificial givers not only of our money, but our time and talents as well, so that the cause of Christ can be furthered.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

I agree, JHM.

I also must say that, not only are we not called to give a Jewish tithe, (which was strictly agricultural) we are also not called to give any tithe.

[prophet1]

From December 8th, 2013 to February 4th, 2014 I was in a theological debate on the topic of tithing. Every scripture verse concerning the matter was exposited thoroughly during the debate. Those teaching the tithe threw many verses into the debate that had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with tithing, but tried their best to twist them to mean tithe.

LOL

Yeah, I've been through that ringer.

Every single cent collected in the NT church was for the same purpose as the OT tithes, it went to the temple:

1Co 6:19
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?


The physical needs of the saints.

Anishinaabe

[JimsHelpmeet]

I agree, JHM.

I also must say that, not only are we not called to give a Jewish tithe, (which was strictly agricultural) we are also not called to give any tithe.

Agreed. By sheer technicality a tithe is setting apart one-tenth of a total for the purpose of offering or charity. So, if a New Testament believer is setting aside, say, 11% that wouldn't be a tithe

[Miss Daisy]

My pastor preaches tithing and at times I was able to give 10%. I've been on disability for almost 2 years. I get $780  month. I haven't been able to give 10% in months. I honestly don't have it. I also have a daughter. This winter my electric bills were over $200 a month for heat alone, for a small 2 bedroom apartment! By the time my bills are paid, for example, last few months, I basically go the entire month with about $5 to my name. And this has been how it's been for past few months. I feel guilty for not giving 10% and then I wonder if that's why I've been struggling? My physical disabilities have gotten worse over the 2 years so I know at this point my financial situation is not going to change.

[DaveW]

The Lord requires people to give according to:
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

The 10% principle is useful as a guide for the spiritually young, but can be misused or misunderstood at times, so any tithe teaching must be done with great care.

overriding principle: not grudgingly, but cheerfully. Regardless of how much or what is given.

[John81]

Miss Daisy,

 

The Lord knows your situation and He never requires of us what we don't have. Seek the Lord in prayer. Just as He will provide you daily food, He will also let you know what to give.

 

Read through Acts and the Epistles. There is no requirement for a Christian to give any specific percentage or amount. There is also no teaching that if a Christian doesn't give a certain amount that God will strike their health and finances. These teachings are common among the prosperity preachers and health and wellness preachers. Unfortunately, some within IFB preach these false teachings as well. Sometimes out of ignorance, but in some cases it's because they are trusting these guilt sermons to bring in money rather than trusting God to provide in His own way and time.

 

I pray the Lord will help you with your physical disabilities and your financial situation.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Yeah, I've been through that ringer.

Every single cent collected in the NT church was for the same purpose as the OT tithes, it went to the temple:

1Co 6:19
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?


The physical needs of the saints.

Anishinaabe

Do you have Scripture to support this claim?  I find no such nonsense in my Bible.  When collections are mentioned in the New Testament, it is not for support of the Temple.  Rather, it is for distributing to people in need; ie., the poor saints in Jerusalem, those in the early Church who were in need. etc.  There is not one verse in the entire NT that says money was given to support a Temple or a Church building.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Miss Daisy,

 

The Lord knows your situation and He never requires of us what we don't have. Seek the Lord in prayer. Just as He will provide you daily food, He will also let you know what to give.

 

Read through Acts and the Epistles. There is no requirement for a Christian to give any specific percentage or amount. There is also no teaching that if a Christian doesn't give a certain amount that God will strike their health and finances. These teachings are common among the prosperity preachers and health and wellness preachers. Unfortunately, some within IFB preach these false teachings as well. Sometimes out of ignorance, but in some cases it's because they are trusting these guilt sermons to bring in money rather than trusting God to provide in His own way and time.

 

I pray the Lord will help you with your physical disabilities and your financial situation.

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Yes, God does know our hearts. 

It is amazing how many preach and teach this false doctrine of the monetary tithe requirement in our churches today.  They don't even realize that it is not a Biblical doctrine at all that they espouse, but rather an early Roman Catholic doctrine that originated more than 1200 yeas ago during the time of Charlamagne. 

Roman Catholic doctrines being taught in the Protestant and Baptist denominations... SMH

[prophet1]

Do you have Scripture to support this claim? I find no such nonsense in my Bible. When collections are mentioned in the New Testament, it is not for support of the Temple. Rather, it is for distributing to people in need; ie., the poor saints in Jerusalem, those in the early Church who were in need. etc. There is not one verse in the entire NT that says money was given to support a Temple or a Church building.

Pssst...You didn't read my post.

Anishinaabe

[Standing Firm In Christ]

I read it.

Maybe not carefully enough though. I had just woke up. COBwebs of a dead sleep must have still been covering my eyes.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

GOD ROBBERS
by Ronald W ROBey

Something to think about…

Pastors who use Malachi 3:8-10 want to make you feel like a “God rOBber” because you fail to tithe your money to the Church you attend.

When they preach on Abram, do they tell you he was a “God rOBber” too? If not, perhaps they should.

After all, Abram tithed the spoils of war to Melchizedek (Genesis 14:20) but did not tithe his own money (Genesis 13:2) If not tithing one’s money means one is a “God-rOBber”, then surely Abram was also a “God-rOBber” by that definition. Likewise, the Israelites were "God rOBber's" since they also were guilty of not tithing their money.

Why is it wrong for us today to not tithe our money, but perfectly acceptable for Abram to not tithe his? or for the Israelites to not tithe theirs?

[prophet1]

I read it.

Maybe not carefully enough though. I had just woke up. COBwebs of a dead sleep must have still been covering my eyes.

The Temple is the body of the Saint.

Also, our collective body is called 'the Temple', and 'House of God'.

Every cent collected in the NT church, that we have written record of, was distributed to the physical needs of the Saints. Even $ given to bring a missionary on his way, was still for his traveling NEEDS.

We would be wise to not incur debt in our new churches.

As a planter, I will not be a party to corporate ownership.

What they do when I leave...well, I ain't an apostle, and I don't get to say.

Anishinaabe

[Ukulelemike]

GOD ROBBERS
by Ronald W ROBey

Something to think about…

Pastors who use Malachi 3:8-10 want to make you feel like a “God rOBber” because you fail to tithe your money to the Church you attend.

When they preach on Abram, do they tell you he was a “God rOBber” too? If not, perhaps they should.

After all, Abram tithed the spoils of war to Melchizedek (Genesis 14:20) but did not tithe his own money (Genesis 13:2) If not tithing one’s money means one is a “God-rOBber”, then surely Abram was also a “God-rOBber” by that definition. Likewise, the Israelites were "God rOBber's" since they also were guilty of not tithing their money.

Why is it wrong for us today to not tithe our money, but perfectly acceptable for Abram to not tithe his? or for the Israelites to not tithe theirs?

JacOB is also pointed to as an example, but he never promised God his FIRST ten percent, but the 'tenth' part. Meaning, really, the last ten percent. Most preachers would say that's a wrong attitued, that we are to always give God the FIRST 10%. Yet JacOB promised the tenth part, not the first part. So if he only got 9, would God get any?

[Standing Firm In Christ]

JacOB is also pointed to as an example, but he never promised God his FIRST ten percent, but the 'tenth' part. Meaning, really, the last ten percent. Most preachers would say that's a wrong attitued, that we are to always give God the FIRST 10%. Yet JacOB promised the tenth part, not the first part. So if he only got 9, would God get any?

Good question, UM. 

In the Law though, God did not always ask for the first tenth either.  Notice in Leviticus 27:32-33, of the livestock tithe, God required the tenth animal to pass under the counting rod, not the first.  And if a herdsman had only 9 lambs born that year?  Not one could be used as a tithe.

JacOB's promise may, or may not have fell into the same system.  As far as we know, that is all it was was a promise.  There is no mention that he ever fulfilled that vow.