How Do You Feel About Stepping Out Of The Box Of Traditional Doctrine?

[Donillo]

It's interesting, Donillo - Free Methodists in Ireland are very like IFB here, doctrinally. I wonder why the difference.

there is a difference and I'll try to explain when I can. Gnite

[Genevanpreacher]

Let us compare:  1560: Acts 2:38 - "Then Peter said unto them, Amend your lives, and be baptized everyone of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins: and ye shall receive the gift of the holy Ghost."

 

The 1611 using the word "repent" instead of the more understandable "amend your lives", of which the common folk knew was to - follow the Lord by choosing His ways instead of our ways, to leave off from sin and our sins go into "remission" just like cancer, after all Luke, who was a physician, and who wrote this book, would know the true results of remission.

Modern folk, who don't 'know nuthin', think repentance is crying about sin, not acting against it. Alex taught this word 'remission' was 'forgiveness'. Lies, lies, lies. 

May not seem like much difference, but you can have that 'opinion'.

 

                                     Acts 22:16 - "Now therefore why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, in calling on the Name of the Lord."

                                                  

The 1611 KJV has no word "in", implying, (what A. Campbell taught thousands of 'Baptists', making the so called church of christ denomination) that baptizing washes away sins.

Real Baptists never taught this, but always taught that our sins are washed away in calling on the name of the Lord.

So why use a text that says otherwise?

 

                                      It's late. More later. Thanks.

[prophet1]

Yet you don't bother answering the questions?

It's all just 'nonsense', and that's it?

The Psalm known as the 12th one, has a thing to say, and it's not a simile. Someone made it that. But where does God say it is?

Nonsense is equal to 'not answering a matter before you hear it'. (Proverbs 18:13)

You have made up your mind before considering the facts of what that Psalm is discussing.

Read the 12th Psalm.

Offense comes by being offended in the ignorance of others not wanting to consider obvious truth. I guess that goes both ways.

Peace.

My last post was agreeing with your assertion, that Psalm 12:7 wasn't a prophecy concerning purifying the English Bible.
Here's a common sense answer to that...
Psa 11:7
7 The spechis of the Lord ben chast spechis; siluer examynyd bi fier, preued fro erthe, purgid seuen fold.
(WYC)

The English Bible said this 300 years before the AV.

12:7 is a simile, that is not arguable.
But the scriptures are being likened (simile) to silver that has already been purified, and not to the process.

Anishinaabe

[DaveW]

Even today it is accepted that to melt and dross a precious metal 7 times brings it to practical purity.

There is no reason nor purpose to melt and dross it more than 7 times - it is as pure as it will get.

The psalm is making the point that the Word of God is pure - the 7 times emphasises the pureness, nothing more.

[Genevanpreacher]

Thank you for clarifying. Thats the problem with emotionless forums, you can't hear the voice of the one speaking to tell 'how' they are really responding. 

[Genevanpreacher]

Why am I making the point?

 

Truth.

 

So called 'churchianity' for this century has lambasted Baptists for saying their doctrines come from Gods word and have been that way since the beginning.

 

Looking at the KJV, they use proof in the words of the text to show us we believe wrong, while we say, that's not what it means.

 

The text in the 1560 Geneva Bible does say what we believe in the text. And we don't need to say that's not what it means.

 

I just want other Baptists to know with out a doubt, what we believe, IS true.

 

That's all.

[prophet1]

Even today it is accepted that to melt and dross a precious metal 7 times brings it to practical purity.

There is no reason nor purpose to melt and dross it more than 7 times - it is as pure as it will get.

The psalm is making the point that the Word of God is pure - the 7 times emphasises the pureness, nothing more.

Exactly. The simile is to something already perfectly pure by a known standard.

God's Words, being preserved, would need no refinement.

Anishinaabe

[seeker]

Hi. My name is Genevanpreacher. I am 49 years old, and have been a bible believing child of God for 27 years this past January.

Being of sound mind and biblical doctrine, I profess unto you, I believe all the things written in the law of Moses, and all the scriptures,

pertaining to the Lord and Christ Jesus; and after the way which some 'brothers' call heresy, believe the Holy Scriptures above ANY

man 'of God' who 'swears by' the traditions of men, as their proof of the 'truth' that they are of God and 'I ain't'.

 

I love the Lord Jesus, and believe with all my heart that he is, was, and always shall be, God in human form.

 

It is nice to be in a group to have encouraging discussions, and I hope to be one who does some of that encouraging.

 

Let all beware, I DO NOT KNOW IT ALL, but what I do know, I try to share with a loving spirit and attitude.

So if I write like I am angry or yelling, you are wrong, I 'ain't'. I just love to share info.

 

Looking forward to learning AND teaching.

 

Any comments or questions, please state'em with brotherly love in 'control' and don't kill me with your 'brotherly righteousness'.

 

Look at any of my videos on u-tube, under my name here, 'genevanpreacher', the videos with a kitty cat.

 

Thanks.

[seeker]

I look at the Bible as a box.  It is shaped like a box and it limits us in

1) Our beliefs about God

2) Our behaviors in relation to God and this world (worship et.)

3) What God wants us to know (it excludes feelings, dreams, visions, and other forms of Revelations.

 

I like the Box.  Hard clear lines keep us where we need to be.

Seeker

[EKSmith]

Praying for you brother Mike

[EKSmith]

When a Good Pastor Preaches on a subject that insult's or hurts the feelings of people they tend to get angry at the pastor, Yet they fail to realize their very own condition because self and pride takes over their hearts, I've seen this appear here in a lot of post in which I find it best not to reply too because of the failure to produce scriptures on the subject. and how some accuse others whom use correct scriptures as being incorrect.and using doctrines of man, when they are ask to provide the scriptures so it may be discussed they continue to be unresponsive, yet they will quickly accuse one of using doctrines of man ?and such. but in all truth it is their pride and self in their hearts to refuse Gods Word and all it's truths, I believe that someone that acts in such a manner is immature to God's Word and cannot discern the truth of God's Word in which we should help and be a encouragement to them, Or they have never truely been saved, which we should encourage and lead them to except Jesus as their savior.

Humble and loving fellowship reveals much but self and pride destroy's it all, and one should not allow fellowship in our Lord to be attacked by such.       

[ASongOfDegrees]

What is "traditional doctrine"? That is a nebulous term like "metal abuse".

 

The only thing I know is biblical doctrine and all other doctrine should bend to that doctrine including RCC, Reformed, Baptist, SDA, etc.

[heartstrings]

2Th 2:15

Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 

Col 2:8

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

I thought "tradition" was all bad until I looked it up. It appears that it depends on whose tradition it is.

[John81]

Catholics and Orthodox claim that their traditions were given to them by the Apostles and that's what 2 Thessalonians 2:15 is referring to.

[Genevanpreacher]

 

2Th 2:15

Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 

Col 2:8

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

I thought "tradition" was all bad until I looked it up. It appears that it depends on whose tradition it is.

 

 

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast and keep the instructions, which you have been taught, either by word, or our epistle."

 

2 Thess. 2:15 from the 1560 Geneva Bible.

 

Kinda goes with 2 Thes. 3:6 - "We command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that 

                                            ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh inordinately, and

                                            not after the instruction, which he received of us."