The Post That Will Not Stand Long Here (Tithing)

[Standing Firm In Christ]

I didn't say it was.  Arbo said the monetary tithe was just after the prohibition of drinking alcohol.

But I can use a New Testament Scripture too :smile:

1 Peter 4:1-3 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

Banquetings is translated from the Greek word "potos", which means  "a drinking."  It cannot mean drunkenness.  Drunkenness is already mentioned by "excess of wine". 

Looks like a prohibition to me.

 

And again, no mention of monetarytithes there either.

[DaveW]

Arbo replied in part to your post re new covenant.
You replied to him with OT.

I don't care particularly - my personal conviction is to avoid it altogether.

[Arbo]

Arbo replied in part to your post re new covenant.

 

Wondered if anyone would pick up on that...

[candlelight]

I did, right away, Arbo.  Before you wrote it, I thought it.  LOL

[Standing Firm In Christ]

There are prohibitions to alcohol in both the Old and New Testaments.  But no mention of a monetary tithe requirement in either.

The topic here is tithes.  Perhaps Arbo would like to start another topic in another thread on Alcohol so as not to derail this thread?

[candlelight]

There are prohibitions to alcohol in both the Old and New Testaments.  But no mention of a monetary tithe requirement in either.

The topic here is tithes.  Perhaps Arbo would like to start another topic in another thread on Alcohol so as not to derail this thread?

SFIC, all threads on OB get derailed brother. 

[John81]

Those things which pertain to Christians which were in effect before Christ are also set forth in the New Testament. Beyond that, Christ declared the OT fulfilled. Those laws pertaining to the temple, priesthood and national Israel have been fulfilled. As God spoke He would in the OT, and we are reminded of in the NT, He has put away the Old and established the New.

 

Much of what the Holy Ghost inspired Paul to write in the NT addresses issues regarding this. The book of Hebrews is especially put forth to point out the end of the OT, calling Christians to not bind themselves or allow themselves to be bound to the things of the OT and to fully embrace and walk in the NT.

[candlelight]

Those things which pertain to Christians which were in effect before Christ are also set forth in the New Testament. Beyond that, Christ declared the OT fulfilled. Those laws pertaining to the temple, priesthood and national Israel have been fulfilled. As God spoke He would in the OT, and we are reminded of in the NT, He has put away the Old and established the New.

 

Much of what the Holy Ghost inspired Paul to write in the NT addresses issues regarding this. The book of Hebrews is especially put forth to point out the end of the OT, calling Christians to not bind themselves or allow themselves to be bound to the things of the OT and to fully embrace and walk in the NT.

I understand what you are saying, John.  However, what is the point of Christians using the OT, then?  I know why I use it, but was wondering why others use it.

[Arbo]

Perhaps Arbo would like to start another topic in another thread on Alcohol so as not to derail this thread?

 

Derail?  No.  Compare?  Yes. 

[DaveW]

In actual fact the subject here is stirring until threads get closed, so Arbo is on topic..... ;)

[John81]

The OT serves as an example. No group, no nation, no people can keep the law of God; therefore no one can gain heaven by works. We see through the examples in the OT that even with God giving certain people many advantages, they still couldn't keep the law, and most didn't even care.

 

We also see that not only are individuals unable to earn their salvation, but even a nation given a godly mandate and rules is unable to fully or rightly serve Him and quickly falls away.

 

We also learn of God's great mercy throughout the OT as Israel continually goes against Him, which brings about attempts to bring them back, which they refuse so He must chastise them, but then he always has that hand of mercy stretched forth for them to take hold of when they finally get to that point.

 

There is also much history to learn from and which God has used to verify His Word (even though He didn't have to).

 

Most important of all, the OT shows us that from the beginning God knew what would happen and had preplanned His means of saving us. In Genesis three we learn a Redeemer is coming. Throughout the OT there are prophecies concerning the coming Christ. Also within the OT God lets us know the OT is temporary, and that a new and better covenant is coming. As we study the life of Christ we can look back at the OT and see how every prophecy of His coming was fulfilled.

 

There is much good use to be gained from the OT but we are not to live under the OT or allow ourselves to be bound to the OT.

[Arbo]

In actual fact the subject here is stirring until threads get closed, so Arbo is on topic.....

 

May as well have fun with it before the inevitable...

[Salyan]

In actual fact the subject here is stirring until threads get closed, so Arbo is on topic.....

Hehehehe... oh, that's tempting. :frog:

[Standing Firm In Christ]

HC said the topic brings out childish behavior.

I see the childish behavior has started.

1 Corinthians 13:11 (KJV)
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

[John81]

When I was a child I really wanted to be like one of those cartoon superheroes! Now that I'm an adult, I want to be like the real superhero Jesus!