Bringing Cathlics to the Lord

[amblivion]

Rick is really a spy here.

Did I say that out loud?

..that superman avatar made me wonder about his intentions of being here!

[irishman]

hey, don't laugh too loudly, I believe some come here to disrupt and cause contention, and perhaps destroy a KJBO sight! The hatred is phenomenal.


back to the topic though, Many Catholics will tell you they are saved, and according to their interpretation, they are! They will say that they have Jesus in them and that He is a part oft of them, etc., but they mean that they have eaten his flesh, and drank of His blood, in their communion. Transubstantiation is a doctrine out of the pits of hell. They believe the priest has some mystical and magical powers to turn this wafer soaked in wine, into the actual body and blood of Christ!

I really don't know what the "host" is made of (the wafer that is soaked in wine), but it actually melts in your mouth as you hold it on your tongue during their communion exercise. The priest, after sampling the wine, dips the host into the cup for each person lining the altar, and mumbles some holy words as he does so. He is "blessing" the host for you. I know this because I have taken communion many times as a boy, and it didn't mean a thing to me or those around me. It seems only the priest knew the significance of it, and he ain't telling! Anyway, because of this , Catholics can be the hardest sect to reach, especially if they consider themselves members of the "Mother church" (and all the protestant churches her illegitimate children!). They become "devout Catholics" which makes them hard-hearted toward the Word of God, and good preaching!

Just thought I would get that off my chest!

[John81]

A friend and I helped to bring many out of the lie of the RCC and into the arms of Christ.

All that we helped lead to Christ were sincerely wanting to be right with God and thought the RCC was. Showing them what the Bible actually says which is totally contrary to the teachings of the RCC is what turned the light on for them.

There were a few Catholics which were rabid Catholics that had their hearts hardened to the Word. These Catholics were not interested in being right with God, but rather in being proud Catholics and promoting the RCC regardless of Scripture or reason.

The first group, those who turned from the RCC and accepted Christ, already had a heart wanting to be right with God, they had just been duped by the RCC. Their hearts were open to the prompting of the Holy Ghost, they already realized they were sinners in need of salvation. It was only the false teachings of the RCC which had prevented them from finding such yet. When presented with the truth of Scripture, which itself highlights the lies of the RCC, and presented with the Gospel, they were quick to trust Christ and to immediately separate from the RCC.

The second group, those who rejected Christ, were not interested in truth, but rather in following the RCC as their family tradition dictated. They were bound by the false teachings of the RCC and were blinded to the truth of Scripture. This group was most interested in heated debate and irrational promotion of the RCC.

The first group responds rather quickly in a positive manner. The second group also responds rather quickly but in a very negative and attacking manner. It's best to concentrate upon the first group. For the second group, best to present the Gospel so the seed is planted and then move on for their heart isn't yet ready. Pray the Lord to prepare their heart so someone later may be able to reap a harvest from the seed you have sown.

[CPR]

A friend and I helped to bring many out of the lie of the RCC and into the arms of Christ.

All that we helped lead to Christ were sincerely wanting to be right with God and thought the RCC was. Showing them what the Bible actually says which is totally contrary to the teachings of the RCC is what turned the light on for them.

There were a few Catholics which were rabid Catholics that had their hearts hardened to the Word. These Catholics were not interested in being right with God, but rather in being proud Catholics and promoting the RCC regardless of Scripture or reason.

The first group, those who turned from the RCC and accepted Christ, already had a heart wanting to be right with God, they had just been duped by the RCC. Their hearts were open to the prompting of the Holy Ghost, they already realized they were sinners in need of salvation. It was only the false teachings of the RCC which had prevented them from finding such yet. When presented with the truth of Scripture, which itself highlights the lies of the RCC, and presented with the Gospel, they were quick to trust Christ and to immediately separate from the RCC.

The second group, those who rejected Christ, were not interested in truth, but rather in following the RCC as their family tradition dictated. They were bound by the false teachings of the RCC and were blinded to the truth of Scripture. This group was most interested in heated debate and irrational promotion of the RCC.

The first group responds rather quickly in a positive manner. The second group also responds rather quickly but in a very negative and attacking manner. It's best to concentrate upon the first group. For the second group, best to present the Gospel so the seed is planted and then move on for their heart isn't yet ready. Pray the Lord to prepare their heart so someone later may be able to reap a harvest from the seed you have sown.

John, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't your method hinge on engaging in conversation? By that I don't mean arguing, but finding out what they believe about salvation, listening to them, and then talking about what the Bible says about salvation.

I really just don't like the militaristic ideas of spying and "infiltrating". (Not directed at you John, I know those came from our infamous TC). For anyone you may be trying to reach I feel that closes more doors than it opens. Imagine how you feel when a "troll" is on this site. It would be even worse if they were doing that in your church. You can always start a conversation and see where it leads.

[HappyChristian]

John, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't your method hinge on engaging in conversation? By that I don't mean arguing, but finding out what they believe about salvation, listening to them, and then talking about what the Bible says about salvation.

I really just don't like the militaristic ideas of spying and "infiltrating". (Not directed at you John, I know those came from our infamous TC). For anyone you may be trying to reach I feel that closes more doors than it opens. Imagine how you feel when a "troll" is on this site. It would be even worse if they were doing that in your church. You can always start a conversation and see where it leads.

I actually don't look at the idea of "spying" and "infiltrating" a religion as militaristic. However, I do agree that it's not the best form of reaching people by pretending to be part of their religious belief system. That certainly isn't what Paul meant when he said he became all things for all people....

[ThomasCooper]

Exactly. That's why I don't see the need for tactics like spies and "infiltration". It seems so dishonest. Why not just be friendly with them as well? Start a conversation and find out what they believe about salvation and why.

Trust me, I'm not a Catholic, but if you sent a spy to my church and tried to infiltrate while I was trying to worship I would not be happy. I would feel very disrespected and our conversation would end before it had begun. However, I have no prOBlem discussing what I believe and why I do what I do and attend the church that I do with other Christians and anyone for that matter. I enjoy discussions. Why else would I be here? Just something to think about.

Why not just be friendly with them?
2 Corinthians 6:14

And there aren't any Christians amongst the RCC membership. We have nothing to discuss with them. They are satanists and worship satan under different guises. We have the Truth. We must minister to them and teach them the truth. The Elect will hear, the satanists will burn!

[HappyChristian]

Why not just be friendly with them? Being friendly would preclude being dishonest, which is what attending mass and pretending to be one of them is.
2 Corinthians 6:14

And there aren't any Christians amongst the RCC membership. Not true - there are some who get saved and don't have the discipleship to come out from the RCC. We have nothing to discuss with them. They are satanists and worship satan under different guises. We have the Truth. We must minister to them and teach them the truth. The Elect will hear, the satanists will burn! And boy does this attitude equal ministerting. Not.

[bzmomo7]

And why exactly not? Frankly, I prefer to use the word "den" as opposed to "church" to describe these unGodly places of gathering. And how in the world would you describe a Christian infiltrating a Catholic group in order to gather information? As I explained before, we found out about the locations they visit and are handing out tracts and information inviting them to our specially designed study groups. Most of them simply get envelopes with a Chick tract and an invitation when they get the check for their food a restaurants. Being friendly with a few waiters can really do wonders for your ministry! In fact, we got a couple of these waiters saved along the way.

Hello Rev. Cooper,
Do you go to other "dens" to gather information, too? Do you send spies to the local Mormon or Jehovah's Witnesses gatherings? What about the local bars, casinos etc?

[ThomasCooper]

Hello Rev. Cooper,
Do you go to other "dens" to gather information, too? Do you send spies to the local Mormon or Jehovah's Witnesses gatherings? What about the local bars, casinos etc?

My ministry has been active in infiltrating numerous dens of iniquity, including the KKK, Wiskeypalian "churches", Homolutheran "churches", and some Dakist congregations. It's a specialized world, we all do what we can do best, and I'd rather leave Mormons, JW's, and Mooslims to specialists like Larry Keffer and James Lyman.

[bzmomo7]

My ministry has been active in infiltrating numerous dens of iniquity, including the KKK, Wiskeypalian "churches", Homolutheran "churches", and some Dakist congregations. It's a specialized world, we all do what we can do best, and I'd rather leave Mormons, JW's, and Mooslims to specialists like Larry Keffer and James Lyman.

Are you ever concerned with what others might think if they see you or one of your congregation in one of these places or leaving one of these places....that they might possibly think it is the "appearance of evil"?

[CPR]

My ministry has been active in infiltrating numerous dens of iniquity, including the KKK, Wiskeypalian "churches", Homolutheran "churches", and some Dakist congregations. It's a specialized world, we all do what we can do best, and I'd rather leave Mormons, JW's, and Mooslims to specialists like Larry Keffer and James Lyman.

No reason for derogatory puns. I trust you enjoyed worshipping with my denomination and I trust everyone was quite friendly, regardless of your motives. Nothing to see here... Not sure why you enjoy "preaching to the converted" but I'm assuming this post is gonna fall on deaf ears so I'm gonna stop now...

[Brother Rick]

My ministry has been active in infiltrating numerous dens of iniquity, including the KKK, Wiskeypalian "churches", Homolutheran "churches", and some Dakist congregations. It's a specialized world, we all do what we can do best, and I'd rather leave Mormons, JW's, and Mooslims to specialists like Larry Keffer and James Lyman.

Edited August 17, 2010 by Rick Schworer

[WandererofGinnungigap]

My ministry has been active in infiltrating numerous dens of iniquity, including the KKK, Wiskeypalian "churches", Homolutheran "churches", and some Dakist congregations. It's a specialized world, we all do what we can do best, and I'd rather leave Mormons, JW's, and Mooslims to specialists like Larry Keffer and James Lyman.

Those are horrible and disgusting words to use. Despite their different beliefs you should resepct them as people instead of refering to them as some sort of subhuman monster.

Might I recomend the Landover Baptist 'Church'. Sure it's a joke but, it's perfect for the likes of you.

[John81]

John, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't your method hinge on engaging in conversation? By that I don't mean arguing, but finding out what they believe about salvation, listening to them, and then talking about what the Bible says about salvation.

I really just don't like the militaristic ideas of spying and "infiltrating". (Not directed at you John, I know those came from our infamous TC). For anyone you may be trying to reach I feel that closes more doors than it opens. Imagine how you feel when a "troll" is on this site. It would be even worse if they were doing that in your church. You can always start a conversation and see where it leads.

Yes, our outreach was through conversation. Already being familiar with Catholic teaching we knew what questions to ask and typically what answers we would receive. Of course we didn't take a confrontational approach, we talked with them, asking questions and showing them the truth in the Bible in a friendly, conversational manner.

[JerryNumbers]

John, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't your method hinge on engaging in conversation? By that I don't mean arguing, but finding out what they believe about salvation, listening to them, and then talking about what the Bible says about salvation.

I really just don't like the militaristic ideas of spying and "infiltrating". (Not directed at you John, I know those came from our infamous TC). For anyone you may be trying to reach I feel that closes more doors than it opens. Imagine how you feel when a "troll" is on this site. It would be even worse if they were doing that in your church. You can always start a conversation and see where it leads.

The only way I see that would work is for the spy to go in, gain information, relay it to others, and never revel himself.

But them a thought just hit my mind, that would be deceiving people, I don't believe that would stand up to the Golden Rule, for we would not want anyone to do that to us, and we are to do to others as we wish them to do unto us.

That Golden Rule will get into the way of many of our fleshly ideas.

So I started this post defending, and I now find myself on the other side. The worse thing about being wrong is to never admit your wrong when you find your in the wrong. I was wrong for defending sending in spies. If we want to find out something about another denomination we ought to do so in and upfront manner.

The thing is, if they found out before they accepted Jesus as Savior, that just might harden their heart so hard that they would never accept God's truths. And even if they found out afterwards it still might have an ill effect on them.