Isaiah 45:7 Does God create evil? Is the KJB wrong?

[brandplucked]

Isaiah 45:7 Does God create evil? Is the King James Bible wrong or outdated?

There are many out there today on the internet and in the pulpits and seminaries (in fact, most Christians today fall into this category) who do not believe that ANY Bible in ANY language is the complete, inspired and 100% true Holy Bible. Instead, each one becomes his own final authority as he rummages through five or six different and contradictory versions picking out a phrase here or a verse there that he happens to

[John81]

[His by Grace]

Brandplucked, I read and reread your post on "EVIL" I understand your saying some confusion comes because instead of trusting the LORD"S Word many try to explain it away BUT your saying it's because they don't know the diffinition of "EVIL"... I completely "got it" if that was what you were saying!! I MUST ASK just one question. Your not saying God causes evil thing's to happen, right? Examples, for me would be causing children to be abducted, abused and murdered, Men mistreating their wive's and children emotionally and physically. You would say He allow's those evil thing's in this world but doesn't cause that evil in this world? Am I understanding you correctly?? In Christ, His by Grace

[His by Grace]

Question: Isaiah 45:7... Does the fact that the verse say's "I MAKE peace" and then say's "CREATE evil" significant?

[brandplucked]

Brandplucked, I read and reread your post on "EVIL" I understand your saying some confusion comes because instead of trusting the LORD"S Word many try to explain it away BUT your saying it's because they don't know the diffinition of "EVIL"... I completely "got it" if that was what you were saying!! I MUST ASK just one question. Your not saying God causes evil thing's to happen, right? Examples, for me would be causing children to be abducted, abused and murdered, Men mistreating their wive's and children emotionally and physically. You would say He allow's those evil thing's in this world but doesn't cause that evil in this world? Am I understanding you correctly?? In Christ, His by Grace

Hi His by Grace. God does not cause all the evil things that occur in the world. But He does cause some of them and uses the natural bent towards evil that fallen man has. The example of David comes to mind. In 2 Samuel 12:11 we read God pronouncing evil upon David for his sins of murder and adultery:

[His by Grace]

brandplucked, I'm hearing you say He causes EVIL for punishment in using David as your example. Jesus is God in the Flesh so He gave Himself for us so that I get. The thing with JOB has alway's been difficult for me but He allow's trials for growth. In the end, I'm understanding you to say God created Evil and you believe His Word is clear that He causes's it in certain people's live's to "bring them back to Himself", correct? I'm going to assume your saying God doesn't cause the evil against innocent indidual's otherwise but allow's it to happen. Hope I'm understanding your major point...that whether we "agree" with His Word or not that it is alway's what it is stating. We shouldn't try and "sugarcoat" verses that may make us uncomfortable, correct? His by Grace

[brandplucked]

brandplucked, I'm hearing you say He causes EVIL for punishment in using David as your example. Jesus is God in the Flesh so He gave Himself for us so that I get. The thing with JOB has alway's been difficult for me but He allow's trials for growth. In the end, I'm understanding you to say God created Evil and you believe His Word is clear that He causes's it in certain people's live's to "bring them back to Himself", correct? I'm going to assume your saying God doesn't cause the evil against innocent indidual's otherwise but allow's it to happen. Hope I'm understanding your major point...that whether we "agree" with His Word or not that it is alway's what it is stating. We shouldn't try and "sugarcoat" verses that may make us uncomfortable, correct? His by Grace

Hi brother. I think basically we are in agreement. However something to consider for example from JOB. It is clear that God was ultimately in control and He brought the evil upon JOB. See JOB 42:11. Yet during the events of this evil we see that JOB's children where killed and all those other men who were prOBably husbands and fathers of children were also murdered by those who stole all JOB's flocks. Were all those people "innocent"?

Who sends famine? Who causes earthquakes? Who really controls the world and its weather? I think the Scriptures affirm that it is God Himself. If God were to punish all of us as our sins deserve, we would all perish immediately.

There is much in God's words I cannot explain, but it is there and I believe it.

God bless,
Will K

[His by Grace]

brandplucked, I must admit this post was really a eye-opener. I've just never considered all that you brought up! Your right and His Word is right so I believe Him but acceptance may take a great deal of prayer! In Christ, His by Grace

[John81]

The simple truth is that God is in control of everything. Along with this is the fact that God's ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts.

Why does a tornado rip through a town and destroy one house but the house next door is barely touched? We might not be able to see or understand why but God had a purpose in what the tornado destroyed and didn't destroy.

In all things God is in control and Deuteronomy 29:29 makes it clear that God keeps some things to Himself; things we are not intended to know at this time.

God is the Almighty, He is perfect, just and true. One of the builders of our faith is learning to trust God, to have faith that what is or has occured was a part of God's perfect plan whether we can see it or not.

As I look back over my life at various trials I've faced I notice that for some I can see direct good that came from them and for others I still don't know what good the Lord worked but I trust His Word and know that good has, or yet will come from it.

We also have to consider that God is currently in control of around 7 BILLION people on the planet at this time. Something effecting us my not be just about us or even primarily for us but for another or many others. As an example, I've read many stories of Christians afflicted with disease or tragedy and they drew ever closer to the Lord and their lives impacted so many other lives.

God has blessed us with His love, mercy and grace. Whatever is in our lives is for His greater glory. He really longs for us to stop focusing upon the bad in our lives and to praise Him for the good and to seek to draw closer to Him.

[jatomlinson]

When he says that he "creates evil" we have to remember that he created Lucifer who is an angel, and OBviously an evil one. Part of us having free will is having choices... love God or don't, eat the fruit from the tree or don't... what good is it if we love him and OBey him without any choices not to? I can't know for sure God's purpose in creating Satan, but it seems to me that in part at least, that he may have done it knowing how Satan would turn out, knowing that he would create choices for humans, therefore giving us the ability to use our free will, and choose God, and choose right over wrong. I don't think he created evil because he's evil, or just for the sake of doing it, but rather because he knows good will come out of it. Look at JOB... there was much pain and suffering caused by the devil (God's creation) but at the end JOB came out stronger and more comited to God, and he was rewarded with a good life.

This may just be one of those things that we're looking at through tinted lenses... we may not completely understand until we have the chance to ask God ourselves in person.

[Covenanter]

God is good, & when he had finished creation, including the angels we read, Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good.

Isa 45 cannot therefore be understood as saying that God is the creator of evil in the sense of wickedness.

He ordained evil as a judgement for sin. In that sense he creates evil consequences for evil behaviour.

Deu 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt [yourselves], and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

[jatomlinson]

When God created everything it was all good, but later Satan turned to evil. God knows everything and therefore knew that Satan would eventually turn bad and lead Adam and Eve to temptation. Therefore God created something that was once good but was later evil.

We also know that God is light and in him is no darkness (evil) at all. Therefore he would not ordain evil consequences for evil actions, but rather just consequences for evil actions. But I do believe he created Satan knowing he would turn on God and then create a second choice for all of creation... God created the right choices and then created Satan who created the wrong choices.

[heartstrings]

The simple truth is that God is in control of everything. Along with this is the fact that God's ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts.


Why does a tornado rip through a town and destroy one house but the house next door is barely touched? We might not be able to see or understand why but God had a purpose in what the tornado destroyed and didn't destroy.


In all things God is in control and Deuteronomy 29:29 makes it clear that God keeps some things to Himself; things we are not intended to know at this time.


God is the Almighty, He is perfect, just and true. One of the builders of our faith is learning to trust God, to have faith that what is or has occured was a part of God's perfect plan whether we can see it or not.


As I look back over my life at various trials I've faced I notice that for some I can see direct good that came from them and for others I still don't know what good the Lord worked but I trust His Word and know that good has, or yet will come from it.


We also have to consider that God is currently in control of around 7 BILLION people on the planet at this time. Something effecting us my not be just about us or even primarily for us but for another or many others. As an example, I've read many stories of Christians afflicted with disease or tragedy and they drew ever closer to the Lord and their lives impacted so many other lives.


God has blessed us with His love, mercy and grace. Whatever is in our lives is for His greater glory. He really longs for us to stop focusing upon the bad in our lives and to praise Him for the good and to seek to draw closer to Him.

[jatomlinson]

I spoke to my husband about this topic (he was a pastor for some years) and he believes that perhaps the angels were not created during those six days of creation. The Heaven's and the earth were created (being the heavens he separated from themselves) but not the third heaven which is the dwelling place of God (and angels). So we're thinking that perhaps when God saw that it was all very good, he was referring to those things he created in Genesis, not the things which he may have created beforehand. Just a thought anyhow.