Muslim Girl fighting family in court

[JerryNumbers]

I don't know that we could say many Muslims kill their family for converting, especially when it comes to Muslims in America. A few have but the vast majority have not.

Many Jews threaten their family members who come to Christ. Sometimes they are threatened themselves, sometimes the family will threaten suicide. Most often, the Jewish family disowns the one who was converted. Sometimes there is a reconciliation years down the line, but sometimes that person is cut off the rest of their life.

American law is based upon the individual and not upon group association. If the law is applied to Muslims differently than others then that's a violation of the law and the Muslims will be due compensation or the law must be changed so that all people may be viewed as potentially guilty because of their religion, their pastor, the particular church they attend, the school the children attend...

There is a reason Scripture tells us to stay out of the worldly courts.

I read somewhere there had been 70 some cases of Muslims in America who killed their child for converting, don't know how many years that covers.

Who can know how many times in has happens overseas?

Oh how we love the worldly courts, it depends on our desires whether its OK to use them or not. But most Christians do not blink and eye while using the worldly courts.

But my question was not about what is legal or illegal nor about using worldly courts.

But why they think Muslims would not harm their children for converting. Sad thing, we don't know which ones would do this. I would think that only a few of them would, but I can't be sure.

Some say Islam is a peaceful religion, but if they truly follow the Koran they will not be peaceful.

[John81]

Islam is absolutely not a peaceful religion. The thing is, just like in Christianity where we have those who hold to the whole Word of God and practice such while others don't, in Islam some Muslims hold to the Koran while others don't guide their lives totally by the Koran.

For those who choose to hold to and practice the whole Koran, it's acceptable and expected that they work against and evil kill those who are not Muslim, those who may be a threat to Islam, those who dishonour Islam, etc.

For those who would be considered moderate or liberal Muslims, they don't practice these things; although most are willing to accept that other Muslims do and they are unwilling to condemn that.

Most of the millions of Muslims in America are of the moderate or liberal variety but that's changing. This tends to be typical as part of Islamic teaching is that when Muslims begin settling somewhere they keep to themselves and stay quiet until they are 10% of the population. From that point on they are to begin working to promote Islam and force Islamic ways upon those around them.

With regards to this particular case, we have Christians who have at the least influenced this girl into running away from home and trying to get the government to support this. Also in this case, an investigation has shown no signs of threat. Even so, we see Christians and some Christian groups pushing for the courts to keep this girl away from her parents.

If a Christian teen had converted to Islam and her Islamic friends had influenced her to run away and to petition the courts to keep her parents from taking her back home because she feared what they might do, we would absolutely see most Christians and Christian groups crying foul with a loud voice.

[JerryNumbers]

Islam is absolutely not a peaceful religion. The thing is, just like in Christianity where we have those who hold to the whole Word of God and practice such while others don't, in Islam some Muslims hold to the Koran while others don't guide their lives totally by the Koran.

For those who choose to hold to and practice the whole Koran, it's acceptable and expected that they work against and evil kill those who are not Muslim, those who may be a threat to Islam, those who dishonour Islam, etc.

For those who would be considered moderate or liberal Muslims, they don't practice these things; although most are willing to accept that other Muslims do and they are unwilling to condemn that.

Most of the millions of Muslims in America are of the moderate or liberal variety but that's changing. This tends to be typical as part of Islamic teaching is that when Muslims begin settling somewhere they keep to themselves and stay quiet until they are 10% of the population. From that point on they are to begin working to promote Islam and force Islamic ways upon those around them.

With regards to this particular case, we have Christians who have at the least influenced this girl into running away from home and trying to get the government to support this. Also in this case, an investigation has shown no signs of threat. Even so, we see Christians and some Christian groups pushing for the courts to keep this girl away from her parents.

If a Christian teen had converted to Islam and her Islamic friends had influenced her to run away and to petition the courts to keep her parents from taking her back home because she feared what they might do, we would absolutely see most Christians and Christian groups crying foul with a loud voice.

So true.

[futurehope]

Most of the millions of Muslims in America are of the moderate or liberal variety but that's changing. This tends to be typical as part of Islamic teaching is that when Muslims begin settling somewhere they keep to themselves and stay quiet until they are 10% of the population. From that point on they are to begin working to promote Islam and force Islamic ways upon those around them.

Even in this circumstance, most studies have shown a 2% rule with muslims; meaning that only 2% of the entirety of the muslim group in the area are actually "radical muslims" that take up this violence and force..........and 2% is generally more than enough.

[JerryNumbers]

That may well be true, but they both study from the same book, worship the same god. That book they study and god they worship teaches them to kill those who will not convert to Islam.

One thing it is not, its not a peaceful religion.

[futurehope]

That may well be true, but they both study from the same book, worship the same god. That book they study and god they worship teaches them to kill those who will not convert to Islam.

One thing it is not, its not a peaceful religion.

I agree completely Jerry, but the point I am making is that it only takes a few of them to do the damage and they will use the rest "non-radicals" to give the appearance of a peaceful religion as many of those "non-radicals" are actually peace seeking people who have simply been led astray by satans wiles.

[John81]

If we go by the 2% theory, with regards to this case, that means there is a 98% chance this girls parents have no plan or wish to harm their daughter...just as they say and as the investigations have shown.

I imagine this 2% idea is true in some areas but vastly different in others.

One thing is certain, and that is when it comes to terrorism, Islam pushing others into Islam or attacking the infidels (non-Muslims), it's the minority who does the fighting but the rest either support them openly or quietly.

Even the more moderate and liberal Muslims will support their own who hold to the whole of the Koran.

[JerryNumbers]

We have to remember too, these people believes its A OK ti lie & deceive in order to advance the cause of Islam. That makes them a hard people to trust, even if they act peaceful.

[HappyChristian]

There is a reason Scripture tells us to stay out of the worldly courts.

Just wanted to point out - the admonition about courts is given to Christians vs Christians. Church issues, and issues between believers. Nowhere does scripture forbid us from going to worldly courts, as Christians have had to do many, many times, when sad situations face them - such as divorce (wanted or not, scriptural or not, there are times when divorce is a reality), child welfare, and other issues (business happenings, rental/leasing prOBlems, etc.).

That said - it is "reported" that investigations have been made...I haven't really been following this case, but I do believe that if there is no foundation for abuse allegations, the young lady should return to her parents. Had they come out and stated that they were going to kill her, then she should be kept away from them. But that hasn't happened, to my knowledge - other than from her claims. Do we discount what she says? I know what the results have been...but I've seen a great number of situations where DCFS or some other organization has decided that the parents don't really pose a harm to the child, have returned said child and the child subsequently died.

I'm afraid I would have to err on the side of parental rights as this case stands, with the information known. She should return to her parents. She's not long for 18, and hopefully, if she is really in danger, nothing will happen until she can legally move out.