Are Baptist Protestants?

[JerryNumbers]

No level of risk involved when one invest in Christ, if one has truly invested in Christ there is a 100% guarantee that this investment will pay off in full.

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

2Ti

[holster]

My guess is that the Google book I referenced is an actual scanned image of the hard copy book, which is rather small and not easily enlarged; whereas regular Web HTML is easy enough to make larger through the accessibility and browser features.

That's a good point. Guess the only thing you could do with a scan is change the resolution of your monitor making the image larger???......

[ptwild]

Now you see, I'm in favor of a mandatory national service draft (Military or otherwise) for all high school graduates in order to get that experience. It worked for my wife, my two sons and myself! lol

I don't know about mandatory military service. I think I would rather have people defending me that want to be there, not that are being forced to be there. I would agree with some form of mandatory public service though, such as the peace corps or amerijobs. I liked Pres. Obama's idea of a mandatory one year period between high school and college in which each person is enrolled in such a program, or the military if they feel called to that kind of service.

[ptwild]

No level of risk involved when one invest in Christ, if one has truly invested in Christ there is a 100% guarantee that this investment will pay off in full.

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

2Ti

[trc123]

I personally believe it is more important to value education and the life-long learning process and thus educate oneself than it is to attend college.

Some value that by attending college as they are able and circumstances permit.

Others value that principle by reading, learning, going to company sponsored training, and such and never attend college.

My father-in-law lived through the great depression, he was never able to continue his high school education and finished the 7th grade as after that he had to go to work to help support the family. BUT, he valued education and learning. He made something of himself and he retired from a top-notch aerospace manufacturing company here in CT.

I believe there is a lot to be said for, "It is one's attitude that determines their altitude more than their aptitude."

[ptwild]

There is no doubt that one can obtain a certain amount of education by themselves and through their experiences. But some fields require formal education, such as medicine and law. There must be a way to license those who want to practice in those fields and the best way to insure that they are properly licensed is to formally educate them. I sure don't want someone operating on me that taught themselves how to perform the surgery in their basement.

[trc123]

There is no doubt that one can obtain a certain amount of education by themselves and through their experiences. But some fields require formal education, such as medicine and law. There must be a way to license those who want to practice in those fields and the best way to insure that they are properly licensed is to formally educate them. I sure don't want someone operating on me that taught themselves how to perform the surgery in their basement.

We agree then.

[PreacherBen]

I would see it this way, there are only two churches:

1. The Blood-washed Bride of the Lamb, Baptists that obey scripture are part of this body as well as others.

2. The Apostate Whore, that is everyone else that does not have the earmarks of historic faith.

Jesus did not start "the Baptist church," he started "His" church. Some who have come to be known as "baptists" have become part of this body.

Most modern day American Baptists are a hybrid of Protestant and Non-protestant faiths. Landmarkism or anything like that will have a VERY hard time when they go back before the 1800's. Most of the Baptists that came to America were products of England. As groups left the church of England and it's byproducts, i.e., Puritans, Quakers, etc., they studied and found that they had a faith more in line with scripture and less in line with the Church of England. In time this Bible-based hybrid became know as Baptists. The name was gladly adopted from those who used it mainly to malign those groups who would not come up under the RCC.

Has there always been a pure blood-washed bride? You bet! They were usually grouped into the group "anabaptist." If you trace church history, you'll find groups with similarities, but you will not find a faith like the modern American Baptist church going all the way back...it's just not there. We're a hybrid.

Are we Prostestant? No, not in the classic sense, but there surely are Protestant influences in the making of the modern American Baptist faith. If we were to be REAL honest, we have Rome in some of the modern American Baptist churches. The Devil you say, brother Ben!

O.k., let's find the origin of that steeple outside your church! Oh, oh! well let me explain... No, that's from Rome.

Sometimes it is scarey to look back down the family line and see what kind of relatives our faith has! Yikes. Let's just focus on the souls and that Jesus is coming back!

Ben

[ptwild]

I would see it this way, there are only two churches:

1. The Blood-washed Bride of the Lamb, Baptists that obey scripture are part of this body as well as others.

2. The Apostate Whore, that is everyone else that does not have the earmarks of historic faith.

Jesus did not start "the Baptist church," he started "His" church. Some who have come to be known as "baptists" have become part of this body.

Most modern day American Baptists are a hybrid of Protestant and Non-protestant faiths. Landmarkism or anything like that will have a VERY hard time when they go back before the 1800's. Most of the Baptists that came to America were products of England. As groups left the church of England and it's byproducts, i.e., Puritans, Quakers, etc., they studied and found that they had a faith more in line with scripture and less in line with the Church of England. In time this Bible-based hybrid became know as Baptists. The name was gladly adopted from those who used it mainly to malign those groups who would not come up under the RCC.

Has there always been a pure blood-washed bride? You bet! They were usually grouped into the group "anabaptist." If you trace church history, you'll find groups with similarities, but you will not find a faith like the modern American Baptist church going all the way back...it's just not there. We're a hybrid.

Are we Prostestant? No, not in the classic sense, but there surely are Protestant influences in the making of the modern American Baptist faith. If we were to be REAL honest, we have Rome in some of the modern American Baptist churches. The Devil you say, brother Ben!

O.k., let's find the origin of that steeple outside your church! Oh, oh! well let me explain... No, that's from Rome.

Sometimes it is scarey to look back down the family line and see what kind of relatives our faith has! Yikes. Let's just focus on the souls and that Jesus is coming back!

Ben

This is by far the best and most honest response on this thread.

[trc123]

This is by far the best and most honest response on this thread.

Agreed! Thus, Baptists are NOT Protestants.

[ptwild]

Agreed! Thus, Baptists are NOT Protestants.

I didn't say it was completely accurate. Why does it matter whether someone wants to call you protestant or not? It all depends on how one defines protestant. One person may consider you protestant, another may not. And whether you agree with their definition or not is irrelevant to them, they will call you what they want. If Baptist are not protestant, then neither are any of the other several non-RCC churches. Or at least they can make the same claim.

[PreacherBen]

If Baptist are not protestant, then neither are any of the other several non-RCC churches. Or at least they can make the same claim.

No, I'd call Lutherns, Presby's, the Church of England, and such Protestants in the classic sense and Reformers. That is were I part with them. They were right to "protest" the error of RCCism, but they were in error to try and "reform" it. The command of scritpure is to come out and be separate. They kept too many of it's trappings. Thus, the Reformation was reformed Catholicism which is still error.

Where those who were called, "Baptist," were right was to make a clean break with any and all ecclesiastical ties and go strictly from the Book.

[His by Grace]

I uderstand we're not Protestants but would you explain to me something? When we are saved we belong to the Church by one Spirit so why do Pastors preach this and then in the same sermon preach that one must be a member of a local church to serve the Lord? I'm confused!! If you can show me why form scripture this would help me to really understand! Thank you for your time.

No, I'd call Lutherns, Presby's, the Church of England, and such Protestants in the classic sense and Reformers. That is were I part with them. They were right to "protest" the error of RCCism, but they were in error to try and "reform" it. The command of scritpure is to come out and be separate. They kept too many of it's trappings. Thus, the Reformation was reformed Catholicism which is still error.

Where those who were called, "Baptist," were right was to make a clean break with any and all ecclesiastical ties and go strictly from the Book.

[holster]

PreacherBen.... wish you would post in the forums more often!

[bgann4546]

No, I'd call Lutherns, Presby's, the Church of England, and such Protestants in the classic sense and Reformers. That is were I part with them. They were right to "protest" the error of RCCism, but they were in error to try and "reform" it. The command of scritpure is to come out and be separate. They kept too many of it's trappings. Thus, the Reformation was reformed Catholicism which is still error.

Where those who were called, "Baptist," were right was to make a clean break with any and all ecclesiastical ties and go strictly from the Book.

You're "right on" PreacherBen..........love the way you worded it, and it's true, those "denominations" you mentioned, still carry out "some" of the Catholic "doctrine"...........

"Be ye separate" ....... !!!!!! I like it !!!!!