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PreacherBen last won the day on November 5 2017

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  1. As to the REAL trail being doctrine, you have to make that very open. Many "baptists" did not believe in eternal security as taught in many modern baptist churches. By this I mean unconditional eternal security. This was originally called unconditional eternal election. We got that from? You guessed it, the Reformers. Yes, I know the New Testament doctrine of sotariology. I understand justification by grace through faith. But that teaching has been uijacked and retooled to tell someone as long as they "said the prayer" they can NEVER go to hell. I heard one popular IFB preacher say, "If Hitler said the prayer as a teen, and meant it, backslid and did all those atrocities, he still went to heaven." Arch heresy!
  2. If you think modern Baptist doctrine is organic and is strictly New Testament in origin, then where did we get the "just war" theory? From the Reformers, who got it from the Catholics, who got it erroneously from the Old Testament. Jesus told "Believers" (NOT NATIONS, just to clarify,) to love, bless, and not render evil for evil to our enemies. AnaBaptists, did NOT take up the sword except for some spurious groups that vanished into OBscurity. Those called anabaptist were commited to the teachings of Christ. They did not kill their enemies. Period. You will not find it in the ancient groups of apostolic origins. Zwingli, Luther,Calvin, and their Protestant followers came up with Just War so they would be vindicated in taking up the sword against enemies of the Church/State, which included the anabaptists. See: The Reformers and their Stepchildren, by Verduin. P.S. Where did Baptist church buildings get those steeples? Rome.
  3. The harbor long had shrunk from site, no longer could I rest within its shore. Life's voyage had led me further out than I had ever dreamt to sail before. Tempestuous waves oft crashing o'er the sides of my frail bark, Fearing that I was alone, tossing in this cold and noisesome dark. But then I heard a cheering voice, twas the Captain of the mighty sea. "You're not alone, with outstretched arms, I always keep you very close to me." So now I venture on, e'en though the swelling tide is raging still. The ship that sails His charted course shall never sink within His Sovereign will. Bro. Ben
  4. Prior to the 1600's there was no group that called themselves "Baptists." There may have been groups "labeled" Baptists because of their form of baptizing, but the group now identified as Baptist came out of the Puritans. When they saw that the Church of England was not going to reform, many pulled completely away. Seeing the more biblical practice of the Dutch, German, and Swiss anabaptists, they took from both schools of thought and produced the Baptist church. The Trail of Blood has some interesting content, but is Baptist drum beating to rally the troops. Carrol's premise that we came from John the "Baptist," is about as shallow, unscholarly, and historcally inaccurate as the church of Christ's claim to authentcity. Our modern Baptist doctrine is a composite of beliefs that have been formulated over the last 400 or so years. Baptist dctrine is a fine system of beliefs, but does not neccessitate beleving that the Baptist church "as we know it" today, went all the way back to Jerusalem, (to the First Baptist Church of Jerusalem, equipped with a Donkey ministry to bring in little poor kids.) I would like to recommend the book, The Pilgrim Church, by E.H. Broadbent. Though an Anglican, he was genuinely converted and noticed the Church of England was NOTHING like the Book of Acts. Being well versed in several languages, traveling extensively, and having access to tons of great documents, he wrote a pretty comprehensive history of church progress through the ages, ending in the early 1920's.
  5. Hello, OB brethren. It's been a while since I've been on. I'll make this as short as possible. I lost my jOB due to health reasons in 2012 and went on disability. In the following year my marriage and family life suffered greatly. I left my home Nov. 2013 due to conflict. Not saying that was the best choice, but what's done is done. While away I had a major health crisis and had to be hospitalized. I'n (very) slowly recovering. I am trying hard to reconcile with my wife and go home. Would you please pray for wisdom and help from the Lord for this? Thank you. Bro. Ben
  6. "And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." Acts 20:20,21 I believe one of things that is spiritually killing people and churches in our day is a shallow understanding of the message of the cross. Some, fearing "low results" have given way to a cheap, 1,2,3,4 say this prayer type formula that, as with good saelsmanship, may get convert slips turned in, but will NOT get names written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Notice Pauls core point, there's only two: 1. Repentance toward God, THEN 2. Faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Man cannot place saving faith in Christ without understanding what he is being saved from. A formula is NOT going to save him. So what is the primary thing saving faith toward our Lord Jesus saving us from? Is it sin? In a sense, yes, salvation will pardon our sin, and sanctification will work on sin's control in our life, but, NO, that's not the FIRST thing Jesus is saving us from. Is it Hell? In a sense, yes, salvation will keep us from going to hell, but that is not the primary thrust of salvation. So what is Jesus saving us from FIRST? GOD! "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 3:36 Because of God's holiness, righteousness, and justice, man is in The Great Dilemna! He owe's a debt he cannot pay but must be payed. Paul wrote: "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." Rom. 2:2 Christ is the propotiation for the debt we owed God for/because of our sins. Satisfaction had to be made, nothing else would do. I know that God saves in spite of some of the error that has been produced since we came up with the door-to-door Romans Road type salvation, but I'm also solidly convinced we've sent myriads to hell trusting that their unchanged heart had God bound to their "prayer" they said, never knowing they'd offended a holy God with their sin. Honestly, is it hard to confess the first point of the Romans Road? All have sinned. A beer drinking, hell raising, fist fighting, hell-bound biker would tell you he's a sinner, and EVEN maybe feel a little bad about it. . . sin. . . not that he'd offended God, but that the social implications of his behaviour is wrong and perhaps harmful (to some.) But what about God, do we just quickly pass through points 1 and 2, rushing them to the FREE GIFT, and the SINNER'S PRAYER? Indeed. Repentance toward God is an acknowledging that we have offended Him and that without the propitiation provided by Christ we are in desperate trouble and without remedy. It would be far better to spend a week with one guy then rush 5 through a prayer that very welll may give them "false assurance" and send them straight to hell clinging to the the statement by the well intention soul winner, "Now write that date in your bible and when the Devil comes and says your not saved, you say Oh yes I am and point to that date!" never knowing that it WAS NOT the Devil but the sweet Spirit of God calling one last time before someone slips off to hell! When the CONVINCED sinner comes to God in repentance THEN and ONLY then, does God in his Holy Love point to His Son and say, "There! There! Do you see Him on the Cross? My only begotten Son, full of grace and truth? He is your remedy, go to Him!" Repent and be saved!
  7. OOPS! I meant to say, There Might NOT Need To Be A Literal Temple Building I've pondered the necessity of the Temple being rebuilt, but what if there is not Temple? Consider: "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." Rev. 21:22 Is not the antichrist the great imitator of Christ? Perhaps the vile abomination is the Old Serpent himself "tabernacling" in human flesh and declaring his deity? "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)" Matt. 24:15 "How art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into Heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." Is. 14:12-14 "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick. . . " Ezk. 28:17,18a "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." 2 Thess. 2:3,4 The tribulation "times" could be ushered in without alot of observation, except for a brilliant world figure who is able to bridge the gap between Isaac and Ishmeal! The beginning of the 3-1/2 year great tribulation might be his bold step forward.
  8. This has probably been addresses before, but what are ya'lls thoughts on classical music? I don't like all classical. The more modern stuff gets under my skin, with the exception of some that is of the "classical" or "baroqure" style. I like some of the Romantic era, i.e. Dvorak's New World Sym. etc.
  9. And just to provoke us to thought, the Tribulation does not have to be 7 years, only the covenant does. The only time period described in the Revelation is the 1260 days, and a time, and times, and half a time. We're used to the 7 year scenario, but what if the Great Tribulation was a very short time? Consider: Matt. 24 [21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. [22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. When you compare John's 1260 days with Daniel's 1290 days you have a 30 discrepancy. Dan. 12 [11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Zechariah said God would destroy the three bad shepherds in one month, (30 days.) Zech. 11 [8] Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me. Isaiah also said it would be a little moment. Isaiah 26 [20] Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. [21] For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. Honestly, think about it, could the Earth endure 1260 days of God's unquenchable wrath? Any answer besides, no, is crazy. Just some food for thought. Bro. Ben
  10. As the verse states: “Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, AND faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ” (Acts 20:21). It is both, a turning from, and a going to. Paul noted the heart of the Thessolonian believers: 1 Thess. 1 [9] For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; This could be the reason for the great spiritual anemia in the 21st Century church. I heard a message from an older brother in the Lord, Daryl Champlin, 'What Happened to the Romans Road of Salvation?', and he said before Dr.'s Hyles and Rice, they preached repentance, but as society became more and more dark, door-to-door soul winning did not work WITH repentance. So. . . they removed it. Now, I don't want to lay the blame on just those men, but I can see how that type of "mindset" could affect some. I believe we need to "teach" just like Matt. 28:19,20 says so people will see the "from" and "to" of biblical salvation. It's not works, it is reality. What are we really trying to achieve, a big number of convert slips from Saturday soul winning, the making of real disciples who have considered the cost, and chose Christ and the Cross?
  11. My father-in-law brought his (3rd) wife, their 6 children, and a step-brother into the LDS church after Darlene and I got saved. He tried everything to get us to "convert." I began reading all the LDS literature I could get my hands on. I would find the missionaries biking or walking along, stop, and engage them in, sometimes, hours of discussion. I soon realized my spirit wasn't right and what I really wanted to do was use the Bible to give them a "holy" whippin.' Then the Lord shed light on this in my quiet time, and he began to give me a love for these (usually) young people. After that our talks were more productive and I even saw some fruit. I never had one, "convert," that I know of, but had many tell me they were going to seriously consider what I had shown them.
  12. Yes, but no one ate his flesh or drank his blood, but he and those in the early church DID wash feet. Good, what did Jesus say? John 13 [15] For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. He did not say, "Do some spiritual thing that is pictured in what I did." No, he said, ". . . do AS I have done. . ." It does not take a Greek scholar to figure that one out. Read it to someone in the third grade Sunday School class and ask them, they'll tell you. No one said it was. Basic hermeneutics would show that he wasn't giving an illustration. They usually looked like this: Luke 21 [29] And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; John 10 [6] This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. This was not a parable, he got down on his knees, washed their feet, and told them to DO likewise. It's that simple.
  13. But you still cannot get away from clear command: John 13 [13] Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. [14] If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. [15] For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. [16] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. [17] If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them. We are either going to obey clear commands, or not. If we pick and chose, then we are creating a new kind of "faith" where the bible is NOT the final authority. We do not obey because we see the relevance, we obey out of love. John 14 [15] If ye love me, keep my commandments. This is why in our 21st century "Christendom" we have a hard time with (archaic) things like foot -washing, head covering, and the holy kiss. We think it needs to be relevant. When we fall into that trap are we not doing the same thing the guys did when they developed the "critical" text? The Received Text wasn't good enough, scholarship, (surely) could out do the archaic KJV. Perhaps the coldness of the age has caused us to feel "a bit" uncomfortable with holy things. The holy kiss is just that, holy. If you look at it with the jaded mindset of a worldly Christianity, it seems, unnatural. But, we embrace a supernatural God and a supernatural faith. It would do us good to go outside our "box." Just some thoughts, Bro. Ben
  14. Ronald Reagan History for May 2 1981 - U.S. President Reagan hosted a dinner for His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Prince Charles. 1983 - President Reagan met with the newly developed Task Force on International Private Enterprise. 1984 - In Alaska, President Reagan met with the Pope. They both briefly spoke to the gathered crowd. The Pope was on a refueling stop in the middle of his trip to South Korea. 1985 - In West Germany, President Reagan met with German President Richard von Weizsacker and West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl. He also met with French President Francois Mitterranc and British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. 1986 - President Reagan arrived in Japan. He was greeted by the Japanese Chief of Protocol and the U.S. Ambassador to Japan. 1987 - President Reagan and the First Lady attended a dinner party with British Ambassador Anthony Acland. 1988 - President Reagan met with Finland's Prime Minister Harri Holkeri. 1988 - President Reagan addressed the Annual Meeting of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
  15. Some early church quotes: The rite of feet washing appears to have been practiced in the early centuries of Christianity, though the evidence is scant. For example, Tertullian (145-220) mentions the practice in his De Corona, but gives no details as to who practiced it or how it was practiced. It was practiced by the church at Milan (ca. A.D. 380), is mentioned by the Council of Elvira (A.D. 300), and is even referenced by Augustine (ca. A.D. 400). "St. Benedict's Rule (A.D. 529) for the Benedictine Order prescribed hospitality feetwashing in addition to a communal feetwashing for humility." "For He who washed the feet of the disciples sanctified the entire body, and rendered it clean." (Irenaeus, A.D. 180) "'If she has washed the feet of the saints'—that is, if she has performed without shame the lowest offices for the saints" (Clement of Alexandria, A.D. 195) "What unbelieving husband will permit his wife to offer water for the saints' feet?" (Tertullian, A.D. 205) It was pracitced, and was not an ordinance. Though some groups have made it an ordinance, it does not erase the practice. I realize the "symbol" it represents, but the Lord said: John 13 [13] Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. [14] If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. [15] For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. [16] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. [17] If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them. 1. You ought to wash one anothers feet. 2. You should do AS he did. 3. We are not greater than he to second guess his intentions. 4. We shall be happy if we DO it. Furthermore, we are told when to do it: John 13 [1] Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. [2] And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him; [3] Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God; [4] He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself. [5] After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. Again, should we not do what our Master did and commanded out of obedience?

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