Are Baptist Protestants?

[trc123]

It just that in all my research, I haven't seen any evidence that any branch of christianity, as it exists today, ever existed apart from or alongside what became the RCC, prior to the Reformation. All of these groups, no matter their name, are off shoots of Catholicism (not the RCC we know today, but the one universal christian church).

Then my friend you obviously did not start to read the online History of the Baptists that I gave the URL for in my earlier post.

If you even read the Introduction to the work you would understand that a Baptist is not a Baptist based upon their succession through some organizational hiearchy; but rather based upon their tracing their beliefs and doctrines and fundamentals of their faith back through the years to the time of the Lord Jesus Christ establishing the local church and this faith is rooted in the Holy Scriptures and not some ecclesiastical decrees by a "church" about what we should believe.

I know that was a run on sentence, but I just had to say it!

[ptwild]

Then my friend you obviously did not start to read the online History of the Baptists that I gave the URL for in my earlier post.

If you even read the Introduction to the work you would understand that a Baptist is not a Baptist based upon their succession through some organizational hiearchy; but rather based upon their tracing their beliefs and doctrines and fundamentals of their faith back through the years to the time of the Lord Jesus Christ establishing the local church and this faith is rooted in the Holy Scriptures and not some ecclesiastical decrees by a "church" about what we should believe.

I know that was a run on sentence, but I just had to say it!

I have not had a chance to start the book you recommended. I can't read online books due to my eyesight, too much of a strain.

[HappyChristian]

Then how is the book you mentioned, which is about a quaker, supposed to shed light on Baptist history? Do the two groups have a shared history?

There is a crossover with Baptists and Quakers because of the shared persecution they underwent. I personally haven't read the book (but intend to), but I'm sure reading it would answer your question - BTW, I don't believe the book is about a Quaker, per se, so much as church history, Baptists especially.

edited to add: okay, I looked a little more at James Beller's site - I don't know for sure what the Crimson book is all about - but on this page, there are a number of Baptist history books:
http://www.baptistink.com/Baptist_Histry_s/21.htm

[holster]

I have not had a chance to start the book you recommended. I can't read online books due to my eyesight, too much of a strain.

ptwild.. just wondering... how can you read these posts if you can't read online books? (honest question, nothing inferred). Do you enlarge the type of your browser? Can't you do that with books?

[trc123]

My guess is that the Google book I referenced is an actual scanned image of the hard copy book, which is rather small and not easily enlarged; whereas regular Web HTML is easy enough to make larger through the accessibility and browser features.

[ptwild]

My guess is that the Google book I referenced is an actual scanned image of the hard copy book, which is rather small and not easily enlarged; whereas regular Web HTML is easy enough to make larger through the accessibility and browser features.

That, and the fact that it only takes about 10 seconds to read most post. The strain to my eyes comes from staring at the screen for long periods of time.

[trc123]

I hear that, that is one of the reasons I'm getting very close to buying either a Kindle or Sony eReader. They are not back lit and do not have the same eye strain associated with their use as a computer screen. They would be more like an actual paper book.

[ptwild]

I hear that, that is one of the reasons I'm getting very close to buying either a Kindle or Sony eReader. They are not back lit and do not have the same eye strain associated with their use as a computer screen. They would be more like an actual paper book.

I only wish those products would have been available when I was in law school. Everything I did was on a laptop, so I spent all day taking notes on a computer, then spent all night studying those notes on the computer. I had no problems with my vision until law school.

[trc123]

My son-in-law has been accepted to Quinnipiac with a 50% scholarship. He starts at the end of the month.

You want to know a busy guy, he is married (to my daughter of course), has four children ranging from 10 to 4 years old, are homeschooling, he works full-time as a 911 dispatcher for our town (often working double shifts), is charge of the training program, very active in their local Church, got his BS in Emergency Management while working his current dispatch job and is now going for his four years of law school.

Personally, I'd rather see him get a second job until the kids are raised and then go for law school. But that is their choice.

[ptwild]

My son-in-law has been accepted to Quinnipiac with a 50% scholarship. He starts at the end of the month.

You want to know a busy guy, he is married (to my daughter of course), has four children ranging from 10 to 4 years old, are homeschooling, he works full-time as a 911 dispatcher for our town (often working double shifts), is charge of the training program, very active in their local Church, got his BS in Emergency Management while working his current dispatch job and is now going for his four years of law school.

Personally, I'd rather see him get a second job until the kids are raised and then go for law school. But that is their choice.

Good for him. Furthering one's education is always a good investment in a poor economy. It's also great that he got some scholarship money, as law school is very expensive (I've basically got a second mortgage).

[Wilchbla]

Good for him. Furthering one's education is always a good investment in a poor economy. It's also great that he got some scholarship money, as law school is very expensive (I've basically got a second mortgage).

Dave Ramsey has said that taking out a loan for a college education is not always a good investment because you are not guaranteed a job afterward.

[ptwild]

Dave Ramsey has said that taking out a loan for a college education is not always a good investment because you are not guaranteed a job afterward.

Every investment involves some level of risk.

[trc123]

85% of college graduates do NOT end up working in their field of study or major!

A college education should be valued and I encourage the pursuit of one; along with that there needs to be some common sense in how one pursues it........AND, the individual needs to understand it is not the only way to live a full, satisfied and even monetarily rewarding life.

Everything in balance!

[ptwild]

85% of college graduates do NOT end up working in their field of study or major!

A college education should be valued and I encourage the pursuit of one; along with that there needs to be some common sense in how one pursues it........AND, the individual needs to understand it is not the only way to live a full, satisfied and even monetarily rewarding life.

Everything in balance!

A college degree is really nothing more than what a high school diploma was 30 years ago. Almost every major requires some degree of graduate work before that major becomes marketable. Jobs don't even exists for my major without the graduate degree. It was either law school, graduate school, working out of field or the unemployment line.

I also agree that college isn't necessary for a full and satisfying life. I think the biggest value of college is the experience. It's where most people learn to live without their parents for the first time, be responsible for their own bills, getting themselves to class and the like. Plus the social atmosphere, where one's primary focus is seeking knowledge rather than working, is critical to shaping character and intellect.

[trc123]

A college degree is really nothing more than what a high school diploma was 30 years ago. Almost every major requires some degree of graduate work before that major becomes marketable. Jobs don't even exists for my major without the graduate degree. It was either law school, graduate school, working out of field or the unemployment line.

I also agree that college isn't necessary for a full and satisfying life. I think the biggest value of college is the experience. It's where most people learn to live without their parents for the first time, be responsible for their own bills, getting themselves to class and the like. Plus the social atmosphere, where one's primary focus is seeking knowledge rather than working, is critical to shaping character and intellect.

Now you see, I'm in favor of a mandatory national service draft (Military or otherwise) for all high school graduates in order to get that experience. It worked for my wife, my two sons and myself! lol