Mom can't read Bible in Kindergarten

[Anon]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,524 ... latestnews

I guess they take turns reading stuff in school....no Bibles allowed.

You know technically, we could say "Well we don't want the Koran to be allowed" but its just sad that the nation was founded on the Bible and now its being outlawed.

[deputydog530]

My uncle fought in ww II for the freedom of others, and against the evil. Hitler, Japan, and even Russia wanted to rule the world, all of which would have meant the end to Christianity (atleast being practiced freely). Now some judges are going to say we cant have our Bibles open in a school? ARREST ME.

Our Highschool just started a gay club, but kids are not allowed to have "religous" meetings on school grounds.

[JerryNumbers]

That means its no true freedom, just freedom for certain ones, and of course freedoms for those who worship God the Father of Jesus Christ are slowly being taken away.

But at the same time Christians are trying to limit the freedoms of many, many Christians try their best to have laws that makes sinners such as abortionist and homosexual follow the ways of Jesus Christ.

They, the unbelievers see it as them against us, that is they view us as their enemies. Its hard to talk to a person about Christ when they view you as their enemy.

Don't get me wrong, I wish no one would practice being a homosewusality and there would never be another abortion, I just realize that laws is not going to be the answer to the problem, the answer is trying to introduce them to Jesus and if they view you as their enemy it will be hard to witness to them.

[Kubel]

I feel that if the situation were reversed, and another mother were a Wicca or a Muslim or a Satanist, and started reading their religious books during show-and-tell, Christians would sadly take offense. We have to realize that if the door is opened for Christianity, it's also opened for a whole bunch of other stuff. Liberty isn't just liberty for you, it's liberty for all. By the way, I'm all in favor of opening the door- but I'm not in favor of public education for that exact reason.

I believe in cases like this we should have 100% tolerance. I brought my Bible to school when I was little and my teachers were careful to show me the same respect for my liberty that they showed other students. The students, however, weren't so tolerant... One of them came from a Wicca family, and would scream at me "BIBLE BOY" when I walked past their house. Sadly, her father ended up stabbing her mother. The mother died and the father went to prison, and the kids were sent to live with relatives. The house was then sold, and the problem was no more.

Of course, if parents want to read the Bible at school, a public institution may not be the best environment to raise such a child- whether it's permitted or not. Home-school your children.

[candlelight]

Now some judges are going to say we cant have our Bibles open in a school? ARREST ME.

I am right with you dd. :thumb

I feel that if the situation were reversed' date=' and another mother were a Wicca or a Muslim or a Satanist, and started reading their religious books during show-and-tell, Christians would sadly take offense. We have to realize that if the door is opened for Christianity, it's also opened for a whole bunch of other stuff. Liberty isn't just liberty for you, it's liberty for all. By the way, I'm all in favor of opening the door- but I'm not in favor of public education for that exact reason.[/quote']

Kubel - they HAVE been allowing that in the public schools since they outlawed prayer in 1964. I grew up in the public school system in this nation - and I taught in it - as well. No one (at least around here) opens their mouths about that. I also taught with a practicing Muslim man in the Cleveland School District who brought all of that into his teaching - and he also ran a Muslim bookstore out of his classroom. Of course - popular opinion was... that he was the WORST teacher in that building. Another incident was a principal who had converted to Islam. You can't imagine what she did to that school. Our hands were tied - as the board of education did nothing!

In Christ ~

Molly

[Anon]

Ironically, one of the reasons for the original "public schools" were to teach people how to read...so they could read the Bible! The Bible was used as a textbook! And now its thrown out with the Koran (although the Koran is not always thrown out, now that we respect Muslims so much for blowing up our towers.)

[deputydog530]

Candlelight wrote:

they HAVE been allowing that in the public schools since they outlawed prayer in 1964. I grew up in the public school system in this nation - and I taught in it - as well

Yup, Candlelight is right on. I was a DARE officers for 11 years and saw many things like this while Christianity was shut out.

[candlelight]

Ironically' date=' one of the reasons for the original "public schools" were to teach people how to read...so they could read the Bible! The Bible was used as a textbook! And now its thrown out with the Koran (although the Koran is not always thrown out, now that we respect Muslims so much for blowing up our towers.)[/quote']


Amen... kitagrl! And, it is VERY sad that these Infidels get away with this... because our nation and world is too fearful of standing up to an enemy that NOT only hates us? They hate ANYONE that does not agree with what they say. Which is the bulk of people in this world - except those that have been sucked into that horrific religion. Imagine those people who are trapped in that demonic belief system? What they do to their own people? They don't hesitate to use woman as suicide bombers and children as human bombs. Ay-carumba! God help us!

[bzmomo7]

I know this is going to not be popular.........but I wish somebody would stand up and proclaim that God did not set up a democracy. His laws are not disputable. Homosexuality is an abominable sin and by God's book is punishable by death. We are not commanded in the Bible to be "tolerant". Now, yes, we the United States are under a different form of gov't then the one set up with the Israelites, but I don't see it as the way God necessarily intended it because we do not follow God's laws here, and we allow horrific crimes like abortion. If we, in America, passed laws that were "biased" towards Christianity, we would not be in contradiction to God's Word.......we would only be in contradiction to our system of gov't according to the Constitution. Which one is higher?

[Anon]

I think the arguments are being stated from a humanist point of view.....government is always going to be corrupt and so they are not going to see God as the highest authority. Again, I have to point towards the reign of Nero. The Christians did not protest his judgements...they just rushed all the faster to proclaim the gospel.

[trc123]

I think the arguments are being stated from a humanist point of view.....government is always going to be corrupt and so they are not going to see God as the highest authority. Again' date=' I have to point towards the reign of Nero. The Christians did not protest his judgements...they just rushed all the faster to proclaim the gospel.[/quote']

While you are historically accurate, that does not mean that the Scriptures teach that only way that a Christian to act was in the same manner as the Christians at the time of Nero did. There have always been differences down through history as to how the followers of Jehovah/Jesus have responded to these types of governmental intrusions. As long as it doesn't contradict Scripture, I'm not the one who gets to discern for others what is appropriate for them.

[John81]

I know this is going to not be popular.........but I wish somebody would stand up and proclaim that God did not set up a democracy. His laws are not disputable. Homosexuality is an abominable sin and by God's book is punishable by death. We are not commanded in the Bible to be "tolerant". Now' date=' yes, we the United States are under a different form of gov't then the one set up with the Israelites, but I don't see it as the way God necessarily intended it because we do not follow God's laws here, and we allow horrific crimes like abortion. If we, in America, passed laws that were "biased" towards Christianity, we would not be in contradiction to God's Word.......we would only be in contradiction to our system of gov't according to the Constitution. Which one is higher?[/quote']



The Founders specifically rejected Democracy as the worst form of government. The Republic they established is not the form of government we have today.

Absolutely true, the Bible is 100% true and right while our government is corrupted, unconstitutional and very ungodly.

[bzmomo7]

I think the arguments are being stated from a humanist point of view.....government is always going to be corrupt and so they are not going to see God as the highest authority. Again' date=' I have to point towards the reign of Nero. The Christians did not protest his judgements...they just rushed all the faster to proclaim the gospel.[/quote']

Oh, I see that, Kita. We have been in this humanist mode for so long that it seems like people have been brainwashed that we can't stand up and not only say something is wrong, but we seem to have swallowed the notion that we can't put forth anything that is "Christian" in nature because we might "forcing" our views upon someone else. Nonsense. I'm tired of having homosexuals and liberals cramming their depravity down my throat all the while screaming separation of church and state for anything that even remotely smacks of "religion". If Christians ever take back the reigns of this country, it will have to be done deliberately by offensive measures to reinstitute Christian values and practices right back into the heart of our culture. I do think, like you said, that we need to rush all the faster to proclaim the gospel! It just makes me sad when I hear so many Christians adamantly proclaim that we MUST be tolerant of all these other religions and liberal agendas promoted across our nation--as if God were "tolerant". Unfortunately, tolerance and complacency does not spread the gospel.

[John81]

[JerryNumbers]

John the Baptist was beheaded while Jesus walked on this earth, but we see nothing of Jesus protesting this nor do we see Him trying to change the law. Now that was a grave sin by the goverment. What we see is Jesus going about spreading the Gospel. Very good example for us to follow, in fact it is the example we are to follow and its the only example we should follow.