Can someone be saved by reading the NIV?

[Mike]

I was on a different page I guess. I wasn't even considering the Old Testament passages. I was thinking of the ones that Jerry mentioned.

[Kubel]

Mat 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mat 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Mat 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
Mat 19:11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

And also:

1Co 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.

[lettheredeemedsayso]

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1Co 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
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What is the next verse saying that we shall have trouble in the flesh about?

[Tim]

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1Co 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
1Co 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
1Co 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
1Co 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
1Co 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.1Co 7:16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?
1Co 7:17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
1Co 7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1Co 7: 20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
1Co 7: 21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
1Co 7: 22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
1Co 7: 23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
1Co 7: 24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
1Co 7: 25 [u][b]Now concerning virgins [/b][/u]I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
1Co 7: 26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.
1Co 7: 27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
[b]1Co 7: 28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you. [/b]1Co 7: 29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;
1Co 7:30 And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;
1Co 7:31 And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.
1Co 7:32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
1Co 7:33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.
1Co 7:34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.
1Co 7:35 And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.
1Co 7:36 But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.
1Co 7:37 Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.
1Co 7:38 So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.
1Co 7:39 [b]The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. [/b]1Co 7:40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
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Concerning verse 28 Henry says :[quote]
And therefore, though he says,

[Guest Guest]

[quote="Bakershalfdozen"]
[quote="MC1171611"]Different people must decide, based on the Scriptures and the leading of the Holy Ghost on what they believe on this issue. For instance, if the pastor of the church that you are attending is 'double-married," and you feel that this is wrong, then leave; don't attend such a church. Different people interpret this differently, which causes confusion when they try to impose it on others. I say to figure out what you believe, and abide by it.
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Judges 21:25 In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.[/quote]

Nice on the sarcasm. I could have scarcely done better myself. Well, except for the fact that the verse you misused was dealing with the time when people did not have the Holy Spirit in them as we do now.

[quote="kjvdad"]
MC,

Are you saying that we should abide by the law of today concerning Divorce rather than what Christ taught?
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No, I never said that. Most people try to explain away the Bible based on the culture of the time, but there is something to be said for a small ammount of cultural application. For example, Paul tells us to abide by the laws of the land. Now, adultery based on what Christ said is final, but the extent to where we take this is centered on the Bible and the Holy Spirit, not the opinions and interpretations of a select few. If something that someone does seems unscriptural to you, then don't fellowship with them. It's as simple as that. God alone has the authority to make such judgements publicly.

[Kubel]

It doesn't work like that.

Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Some people can't bear Ruckman because of his evil. We have shown the evidence (Bible) and tried his claim as a Pastor, and we have found him a liar.

You are suggesting that the church of Ephesus should have shut their mouths and minded their own business. I think Christ would have had more against them than just leaving their first love.

Ruckman, as a Pastor, is not just a leader of some group. He is the Bishop of one of Christs New Testament Assemblies. That position is a serious one. And the requirements are serious as well.

[MavMin]

We are saved by beieving the Gospel. As long as that message is conveyed you can get saved out of a Catholic Bible. It is harder, but it can be done but after that you are in big trouble. I see it as the Lord catching the wicked in their own craftiness.

[Guest Guest]

What disturbs me is this: I have heard a few people and preachers' date=' even good ones, state on more than one occasion that unless you got saved from a KJV you aren't saved.[/quote']

That's called extremism. A Bible doesn't save someone, Christ does. To say that a Bible saves someone would be to commit the sin of idolatry.

[Jerry]

The Bible does not save anyone - but it is in the Bible you will find the message of salvation.

[Guest Guest]

The Bible does not save anyone - but it is in the Bible you will find the message of salvation.

True. :thumb