Just a simple reminder...

[Calvary]

This board is a KJB board. It beleives that the KJB is withour proven error. If you beleive that there could have been a better translation, you are entitled to that belief, but we are not interested in that opinion.

Lately I have noticed a few posters that are obviously not KJB only, making comments about our beloved Bible that asperse doubts on the the text, the underlying TR text, the translators and how they were inconsistent in translating words... etc.

If you are of the opinion that the KJB is merely a "good" translation but the Greek or Hebrew can allow you to correct it, then perhaps you should keep that opinion to yourself. Lexicons are not sufficiently authorative as they are all tampered by personal opinion and many are put out by what we would call heretics. Yes, even James Strong was suspect in some areas of doctrine and his conclusions on etymology will demostrate that.

I would prefer to remain ignorant and unlearnt in your eyes before I let you subtily correct my Bible.

I would guess that my knowledge of MSS evidences and readings, conflations, texts types, collations are just as every bit as good as yours or even better, so I fear no argument, I just don't care to hear them.

Let me remind you as a member of this board, that I like the idea of being where the KJB will not be questioned. If you think your knowledge of the mss. Greek or Hebrew is better than that of the august groups of men who worked on the KJB, then you need to go check your ego in at the door before you come here. There isn't a man alive today that could hold a candle to that committe of translators. Nor has there been since.

Thank you for your time.

God bless,

Calvary

[John81]

:goodpost:

For some time now there seems to have been a lot of people coming here, to a clearly stated forum that is 100% KJB and clearly stated as a forum NOT for debate on the KJB, who want to dig at or attack the KJB on various points.

I don't mind those who have serious questions, but those who obviously just want to discredit the KJB to one extent or another, I don't believe they are here for honourable reasons and they are not here for edification or fellowship.

[Pastor Matt]

Thanks for the reminder Calvary. You must have been reading my mind.

Today I started typing forum rules to add at the top of this forum that states just what you posted. You should see it in this forum sometime tonight.

[Psalms18_28]

It's not our bible. It's is God's bible.

(thinking about all those who uses the word "my" bible. Yes, it is my little pet peeve) :hide

[kevinmiller]

It's not our bible. It's is God's bible.

(thinking about all those who uses the word "my" bible. Yes, it is my little pet peeve) :hide

Yes, but isn't it nice that He gives us copies of it? :lol

[kevinmiller]

Also wondering Bro. Matt, are you going to create a sub-forum for KJV discussion? I know you had mentioned it before and the thread that was supposed to be dedicated to that got locked. :ha

[Calvary]

I don't mind those who have serious questions, but those who obviously just want to discredit the KJB to one extent or another, I don't believe they are here for honourable reasons and they are not here for edification or fellowship.

I agree.

God bless,

Calvary

[frogpond]

I agree. Anytime that I have seen another version used in church there has only been confusion. God is not the author of confusion.

Kevin

[dwayner79]

I simply do not see this as practical. Unless we should all believe as Calvary does, I don't see how you can practically stop all discussion of the KJVo issues. In the OP, just about everyone's position was shot down in some way or another. There are so many levels of people even within the KJVo movement.

From what I can tell, the vast majority of folks here "go back to the greek" or "use strongs" or "could see a better translation being made". Even a few of the folks that have replied with goodpost hold to those positions so I do not see why or how you could be cheering on this type of post. :puzzled:

Lets assume that all of us non-KJVo'ers stop posting at all, there are so many variations in the KJVo movement that the discussions will never stop. I just don't see any value at all in this kind of post from Calvary. IMO, it is a weak attempt to stop people from discussing an issue, that is certainly worthy of discussion.

I look forward to seeing how Matt's rule is worded. I think it will be rather telling.

I do think it wise to have a sub-thread to keep them in.

[Psalms18_28]

I don't see the point of bringing up KJV at all. If you are here to study the Words, then that should be it. Why nick-pick on KJV on this forum?

I don't know how important is Strong's but it is true that many pastor suggest you to use it since one word can have different meanings

[dwayner79]

I don't see the point of bringing up KJV at all. If you are here to study the Words, then that should be it. Why nick-pick on KJV on this forum?

I don't know how important is Strong's but it is true that many pastor suggest you to use it since one word can have different meanings

And this is the point. To some, you just crossed the line of "questioning the KJV." Certainly by the sound of Calvary's post you just did.

So realistically, I would word the rule something like, "... if posting extra-biblical sources, priority will always be given to the rendering of the KJV, but we will not automatically assume that because someone posts a Greek definition, or conjectures as to a potential meaning of the word, that they are questioning the KJV." But I am not the admin :tum

Edit: I would also add something like "DO NOT TURN EVERY DISCUSSION INTO A KJV DISCUSSION." :saint

[Calvary]

Dwayne, I never suggested that you "believe like I do". In fact I have grace enough to let you believe that you are qualified to correct the word of God from a superficial source like a lexicon, commentary or popular opinion.

But I have to ask, would or have you ever gone into a Catholic church and parried with the priest?

Why question a man's authority here if you wouldn't do it out there in the real world?

You see, the thing you so obviously fail to mention is this board was set up by an IFB who believes the KJB is final for English speaking peoples. If that bothers you, then perhaps you should contemplate, reflect and understand with your gracious, open minded and objective spirit that you eveidence here so often and allow us to remain, happily so, KJB only folks.

I wouldn't stand in the pulpit of your church and attack firmly held beliefs of your congregation.

Why would you desire that avenue here?

You are not KJB only. You are "whatever suits my needs" only. When there are two conflicting authorities then you have effectivley made a third party judge. Unfortunately, this third party so often becomes a "concordance battle" and I have never in my 50 times plus through the Bible read of any other source of truth available outside the word of God.

My post was soley in repsonse to what I felt has become too common place on this board lately. Though I rarely post on the Bible threads, I do read them. Most are a waste of band width IMHO. They present nothing new, nothing that hasn't been said over a thousand times by highly acclaimed scholars on both side of the issue. Scholarly men who know much more about "original languages" than you and I, yet it seems that folks still toss out opinions formed by other men, regurgitate tired and worn out thesis', rehashed clichés and I for one just have to say soemthing about it.

I think it all boils down to final authority, not what the Greek says. "The" Greek is a phanthom. It does not exist.

For example some fellow the other day went on and on about Scrivner's text. Who doesn't know that Scrivner's text will conform 100% to the KJB? It was a post KJB work! I mean, c'mon.

But on and on it goes.

I have enough to do with what it says in English, let alone what it says in Bezae's 4th edition!

God bless,

Calvary

[Psalms18_28]

Dwayne, I see what you are saying. I know that in 2,000 years from now, and if someone's writing has the word "Orange" and that word no longer exist anymore, I know I would I have to use an old Dictionary to look up the word orange and see what it means. Then I have to figure out if it is a color or a fruit. So yes, sometime I do use Strongs.

[dwayner79]

Dwayne, I never suggested that you "believe like I do". In fact I have grace enough to let you believe that you are qualified to correct the word of God from a superficial source like a lexicon, commentary or popular opinion.

This is a misrepresentation, for sure, but nicely played. What was that about ego?

But I have to ask, would or have you ever gone into a Catholic church and parried with the priest?

No priests that I can remember, but some very strong catholics.

Why question a man's authority here if you wouldn't do it out there in the real world?

I have, and would, but that's not the point. My pathos is in the extreme fundamental positions. It is near and dear to my heart, so this is where I bounce my ideas. If I was passionate about catholics, I would be on a catholic site. Now this is not to say that I am here to teach you all something. I am here to learn you positions. I think during my time here, I have shown that to be true.

You see, the thing you so obviously fail to mention is this board was set up by an IFB who believes the KJB is final for English speaking peoples. If that bothers you, then perhaps you should contemplate, reflect and understand with your gracious, open minded and objective spirit that you eveidence here so often and allow us to remain, happily so, KJB only folks.

I hate to play this card, but I think I will. How many face to face discussions have you had with the administrators of this board? How many discussions have you had with them about these topics. One advantage of spending 8 hours a day in the same building is teh ability to go ask for clarification. One advantage of giving each other rides back and forth to work is the chance to formulate a pretty good friendship, one I hold pretty valuable. The friendship has led to plenty of conversations on this and many other topics. I think I know the position of the admin fairly well.

I wouldn't stand in the pulpit of your church and attack firmly held beliefs of your congregation.

Why would you desire that avenue here?

See above. My concerns are over the varying positions in the KJVo movement. I know better then to try to promote non-KJVo positions here, and I try hard not to.

Also... this is not a church.

You are not KJB only. You are "whatever suits my needs" only. When there are two conflicting authorities then you have effectivley made a third party judge. Unfortunately, this third party so often becomes a "concordance battle" and I have never in my 50 times plus through the Bible read of any other source of truth available outside the word of God.

Another unfair representation. Do not be so bold as to assume you know me, or know my position. I abhor those with a choose whatever suits my needs ideology to biblical interpretation. To say otherwise is offensive, and a lie.

My post was soley in repsonse to what I felt has become too common place on this board lately. Though I rarely post on the Bible threads, I do read them. Most are a waste of band width IMHO. They present nothing new, nothing that hasn't been said over a thousand times by highly acclaimed scholars on both side of the issue. Scholarly men who know much more about "original languages" than you and I, yet it seems that folks still toss out opinions formed by other men, regurgitate tired and worn out thesis', rehashed clichés and I for one just have to say soemthing about it.

You are welcome to have your feelings.

I think it all boils down to final authority, not what the Greek says. "The" Greek is a phanthom. It does not exist.

Yet another position that most of the KJVo folks here disagree with.

For example some fellow the other day went on and on about Scrivner's text. Who doesn't know that Scrivner's text will conform 100% to the KJB? It was a post KJB work! I mean, c'mon.

But on and on it goes.

I have enough to do with what it says in English, let alone what it says in Bezae's 4th edition!

God bless,

Calvary

Again... I can't say it more clearly. I issues Cavary brought up show the necessity of having discussions about the meaning of verses, and the interpretation of said verses. It just should not be assumed that every discussion is some ideological battle against the KJV.

[kevinmiller]

I agree more with Dwayne here as well. While I think there should be proper guidelines for discussion and I don't think anyone should criticize the KJV, I think it would be wrong to stamp out differing opinions and debate. There is always the "lock thread" option if it becomes too heated. I mean, if we went that route then we might as well forbid people from discussing anything that is either controversial or differs from what the administration believes. And also, it only gives credibility to those who don't believe the KJV is all that great because it makes it look like we can't defend it so we just don't talk about it at all.

btw, my post was in response to Calvary's and I'm not making any assumptions about the leadership here. :smile