Murdoch's NIV

[Kubel]

Now we jump from failing to prove guilt by association to baseless attacks on someones character. I think I remember why I took a break from these type of discussions. There's no reasoning when it comes to something that is tangled up into ones faith. :smile

[Madeline]

:leaving

[John81]

Now we jump from failing to prove guilt by association to baseless attacks on someones character. I think I remember why I took a break from these type of discussions. There's no reasoning when it comes to something that is tangled up into ones faith. :smile

I haven't read this whole thread. What is your clear take on the NIV?

I do know several very solid Christians who use the NIV so this is actually something I'm interested in.

[JerryNumbers]

Yeah, that's why the NIV is so corrupted and watered down! Perhaps his definition of spiritual and godly is different than many on these boards.

Spiritual and godly translators/scholars would not have stood by while other translators were messing around with God's Word.



Perhaps the writer is telling on himself! The "most spiritual and godly scholars" he has "ever had the privilege of knowing and working with"...

I would say it this way, perhaps his idea of spiritual and godly is different than what the Bible teaches.

If he was really spiritual he would have had better used his time and efforts in reaching the lost than writing a new Bible that really is not needed.

The main reason for new version of the Bible is to make money, water it down and cause confusion and neither one of these reasons are from God.

[Kubel]

I haven't read this whole thread. What is your clear take on the NIV?

I do know several very solid Christians who use the NIV so this is actually something I'm interested in.

My position: I prefer the KJV (in fact, I use it almost exclusively), but I don't condemn a translation just because it's not the KJV, or just because some nutcase makes claims that it's corrupt and part of some kind of conspiracy, or just because it has unrelated connections to something undesirable. What makes a translation good or bad is how accurately it conveys the text of its source.

I'm also not entirely convinced that the texts from which it was translated from are corrupt simply because they are slightly different or are 'missing' verses. In fact, I find it more plausible that scribes would mistakenly copy notes rather than mistakenly leave out text. But like everyone says, no one has the originals so...

I wouldn't give up my KJV for a NIV, but I wouldn't attack someone who uses it based on some man-made doctrine. I think we are blessed to have so many translations in our language and I think we are blessed to be able to make a choice of a preferred translation.

The main reason for new version of the Bible is to make money, water it down and cause confusion and neither one of these reasons are from God.

In 1611, people like you were bashing the KJV. After all, it was a new version once. See the "Translators to the Reader" preface of the KJV and read how the translators of their day went up against the same nonsense. Ironic. :smile

[John81]

Thank you Kubel.

The reason I asked is because I know several good, solid Christians who use the NIV. I also know other solid Christians who use the NASB or NKJV, and a few that either use or sometimes or also use some other versions.

For most of them, other than the fact they don't use the KJB, one couldn't tell them apart from most on this board. They have a very close walk with the Lord, they know their Scriptures, they are born again, bearing good fruit, winning souls to Christ and edifying the Body of Christ, etc.

I've only used the KJB for about 20 years now, but how can there be so many good Christians out there who use the NIV (or another version) if they are so far from being the true Word of God?

For myself, I have never liked the NIV, even before I ever heard a negative word about it. To me, the NIV is too simplistic and just doesn't convey the Word to me well at all. However, there are others who seem to grow mighty in the Lord using the NIV, though it's beyond me how they do so.

[JerryNumbers]

Everyone who I know that uses the NIV, they are very liberal, and will join together in worship service with almost anyone who calls their self a Christian.

I see pictures of them quite often in our local paper. The male and female pastors line up on a platform holding their Bibles and all of them have a big grin on their faces. Some of them believe your saved by grace, other believe your saved by works, and even other believe your saved by baptizing. I suppose none of them understand 2 Corinthians 6:14. Oh, most of these people are Billy Graham fans. Billy has led many people down a very dangerous trail.

So, Kubel, your calling me and the other Jerry nut cases, thanks for the compliment. But I must say its not nice to call people nut cases. I'll refrain from doing the same.

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And I need to add one thing to this quote of mine. These people who wrote the NIV also had an agenda, there agenda was to water down God's Word to what they wanted it to mean. They did a right good job of it. But I do understand that you cannot see this.

[Jerry]

In 1611' date=' people like you were bashing the KJV. After all, it was a new version once. See the "Translators to the Reader" preface of the KJV and read how the translators of their day went up against the same nonsense. Ironic.[/quote']

Wow!! You've been on these boards for over two years, and yet you just blatantly lied and built another straw man!

As stated various times on these boards (if you were paying ANY attention), we are not against modern versions because they are new - but are against them for various reasons. Two of which are: 1) They change the meaning of many passages (plus watering down/corrupting, adding or removing words/phrases/verses); 2) Most of them are based on completely different texts altogether.

[Kubel]

So, Kubel, your calling me and the other Jerry nut cases, thanks for the compliment.

Actually I was referring to specific nutcases like Ruckman and Chick that believe in and spread the nutty idea of the Alexandrian Conspiracy (and other nonsense). You weren't the nutcase on my mind when I wrote that (joking). Honestly, you weren't on my mind.

And I must say, Chick is an awesome guy having led so many to Christ through his ministry. His tracts are certainly unique and powerful. But some of the stuff he believes (and has believed in the past) and spreads around is just crazy. Ruckman... well... I won't even go there...

Wow!! You've been on these boards for over two years' date=' and yet you just blatantly lied and built another straw man![/quote']

Wow!!

[John81]

I grew up attending Methodist Sunday School until I was about 10. They gave me a RSV Bible in 1970 and that was the only Bible I had or ever read until about the mid-80s. For a few years I tried several different versions, but that got me very confused because they didn't all seem to agree. For a few years I read mostly the NASB until the Lord brought a good Christian friend into my life who led me to a great Baptist pastor and also to the Sword of the Lord. From that point on, I've read only the KJB and from the time I switched to the KJB the Word of God really came alive, Scripture memory became almost easy, and growth in the Lord took off by leaps and bounds.

I do know some people who, regardless of the effort, can't understand the KJB. I know some who can't understand the NKJV or even NASB either so they use the NIV.

I know some pastors, many Christians and several authors who use the NIV or other versions and they are remarkable Christians who take solid biblical stands and teach the same.

I can't explain it.

[JerryNumbers]

1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Heb 11:1 (KJV)

7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

1 Peter 1:7-9 (KJV)

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

John 20:29 (KJV)

We actually put blind faith in Jesus. For we believe in something we have not laid eyes on, have not touched. But needless to say, a solid child of God puts there whole faith in Jesus.

But there is proof that the NIV comes way short of God's truth and one does not have to use blind faith in knowing its not the whole truth. The NIV falls way short of God's truth. It has been shown, proved, on this board over and over, again and again. Its a fact, if there was no proof that the NIV was corrupt, this board would not stand for only the KJ Bible, they would say it makes no difference which Bible one used and would let everyone use scriptures from any Bible they so chose to use to prove their points.

And its a fact, those who spent so much time writing the NIV, there time would have been better redeemed minding God, that is spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ and changing hearts, for the world has a real bad need of changed hearts and labors to spread God's truth, much more than it needs another version of the Holy Bible that actually falls way short of God whole truth. But them again, it would have been hard for them to spread the whole truth, for they wanted to write a bible that did not hold the whole truth.

Anyone who is in leadership position that uses and teaches from the NIV, as far as I'm concerned they are not solid Christians, if they were they would not teach out of a book that doesn't hold the whole truth of God.

Do I at church preach that we all should only use the KJ Bible, NO! But I do encourage everyone to use the KJ Bible only in our church, for if everyone had a different version of a Bible, there would be confusion, sometimes total confusion, any confusion is not of God, but of the devil, why let the old devil get a hold in Jesus' Church?

Would I attend a preaching service where someone was using the NIV? NO. If I happened to, I might just get up and walk out, I love to hear the whole truth, that is hard to hear if someone is using a book that has less than the whole truth.

So yes, I was one of those nut cases you spoke of, I firmly believe they are several of those nut cases on this board. If they were not, them again they would let everyone use whatever Bible they wanted to on this board. Please notice, its a KJV only board and for a very good reason.

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But some here are still trying to promote the NIV, that it is equal to the KJ. Doing so is not abiding by the rules of this board and showing respect for the rules that have been put in place.

[John81]

Isn't a solid Christian one who is born again, walking closely with the Lord, growing in the Lord, preaching/witnessing the Gospel to the lost, obeying the Lord out of love and respect, believing and following the fundamentals of the faith?

[suitman]

I grew up attending Methodist Sunday School until I was about 10. They gave me a RSV Bible in 1970 and that was the only Bible I had or ever read until about the mid-80s. For a few years I tried several different versions, but that got me very confused because they didn't all seem to agree. For a few years I read mostly the NASB until the Lord brought a good Christian friend into my life who led me to a great Baptist pastor and also to the Sword of the Lord. From that point on, I've read only the KJB and from the time I switched to the KJB the Word of God really came alive, Scripture memory became almost easy, and growth in the Lord took off by leaps and bounds.

I do know some people who, regardless of the effort, can't understand the KJB. I know some who can't understand the NKJV or even NASB either so they use the NIV.

I know some pastors, many Christians and several authors who use the NIV or other versions and they are remarkable Christians who take solid biblical stands and teach the same.

I can't explain it.

I think its due to the fact that the fundamental gist is still there. You may be able to say that there is some coruption in the NIV but you cannot say it is corrupt to the point where it denies jesus' divinity, or his death and ressurection.

There is still truth in it even if you want tio go as far as saying its corrupt

I have come to greatly like the KJV since I left here but I still disagree with condeming those who do not use it due to one verse unfortunatly which is

1 John 5:7
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one"

[Jerry]

You are right, John, but that is not all. I think God would add a love for truth, as well as being separated to that list.

How much does someone love God's Word when they preach and teach from a version that they see contradictions in? And if they do not see them, they are blind to it - or they have not spent enough time studying that particular Bible version! Then, when faced with these contradictions and differences (as they memorize verses in their preferred version and hear another version quoted that says something different in meaning), what do they do? Brush them away as unimportant - that is not a love for truth. Or, they could cling to God's Word, and cry out for wisdom as to why there are differences or contradictions - then God would lead them to the truth - AS HE HAS DONE HERE TO MANY THAT ARE KJVONLY.

It is one thing to be ignorant (ie. not being aware of any differences - like a new believer wouldn't be), quite another thing to dismiss these differences as unimportant. If a person spends any serious time studying the Word of God (in whatever version he has), and reads or hears any teaching in modern Christendom, then he is faced with a choice. Their RESPONSE will determine whether they are a solid Christian or not. Do they choose the truth and separate from the error? If not, they are not solid.

[John81]

I don't know exactly how to view this.

The "problem" is, I know of several solid Christians, they are solid on doctrine, they lead biblical lives, they preach the true Gospel, they witness, win souls to Christ, disciple, etc., and they have a testimony of doing so for many, many years. The only discernable difference between them and many here is that they use the NIV, NASB or NKJV.

Of course, it's very true there are many false Christians, and weak Christians out there who use those versions, but I know of a good many of these same sorts who only use the KJB.

Is a man who has lived and conducted the past quarter century in like manner as someone like Lee Roberson (for example) except for the fact he uses the NIV not a solid Christian?