"Misquoting Jesus" destroying the faith of Christians

[Guest Guest]

It was the Waldensians and Anabaptists that preserved the Scriptures - that handcopied the Bible texts the Reformers used in making the English Bibles. And the majority of these groups were Baptist in doctrine and practice.

This is news to me. In all my research, I have never found one source that substantiates such a claim. This sounds like more wishful thinking Mr. Jerry. There was a time when people would blindly believe whatever allegation some "preacher" made. But the good Lord has blessed us with education and scholarship, which allows each and everyone of us to go out and find the truth for ourselves. I believe you and I discussed my seperation from my family's baptist church a few months ago. You'd be interested to know that the church has been forced to close its doors for "declining membership." We are not in the dark anymore, the Lord has shed his light, and those of us that chose truth are able to see the agenda and biasness. I believe the Waldenses, if they were still around, would be looked upon in the same manner as the mormans and jehovah witnesses.

Just be aware that any claim anyone makes can now be varified or disproved by almost anyone who has the time and patience to conduct objective research. Have you ever heard of The Trail of Blood. I use to believe that peice of trash with all my heart. Then one day someone challenged its truthfullness. I was bound and determined to prove that it was true, but when I did the research, I was only left feeling betrayed and lied to. It seems that you have no regard for the truth if it impedes on your preconditioned beliefs. This is a natural condition of your generation, so I am not offended and I don't believe you are conciously lieing, but it to shall pass.

[Guest Guest]

jonbaptiste' date=' why do you frequent a BAPTIST message board and persist in knocking Baptist beliefs and history? If you don't like our history, keep it to yourself or complain and post your junk on an Anti-Baptist message board - it has no place here.[/quote']

I don't come here to knock "Baptist beliefs" (a term which I have a hard time defining considering the vast differences between baptists), but to have good discussions with christians. I was raised a baptist and find that for the most part I still agree with baptist doctrine. And I like your history just fine, that is, your actual history, not the history you have chosen for yourselves. And I know that not every baptist believes in the made up history, so I apologize for the blanket statement. There are a lot of good christians on this board that are interested in helping one another and lifting each other up. That's why I like coming here. However, I feel lead by the Spirit to point out proven falsehoods when they appear.

[Pastor Matt]

However' date=' I feel lead by the Spirit to point out proven falsehoods when they appear[/quote']

:uuhm: And I feel led by the Spirit to keep falsehoods off the forum. You are not enlightening us here with any new revelations.

[Guest Guest]

While the Trail of Blood may be mostly false, and the Waldenses and others perhaps were off-base in some regards, there have always been people who have believed and died for the word of God through the Ages, so even if the name "Baptist" isn't traceable (Briders, Landmarkists, etc.), we are no product of the Reformation.

Our people died under Nero, were persecuted under the Popes, and felt the pincers, racks and hot irons of the Inquisitions. We've always been here, always stood against the Whore, and always stood FOR the word of God.

Amen!! :lol

[Guest Guest]

While the Trail of Blood may be mostly false, and the Waldenses and others perhaps were off-base in some regards, there have always been people who have believed and died for the word of God through the Ages, so even if the name "Baptist" isn't traceable (Briders, Landmarkists, etc.), we are no product of the Reformation.

Our people died under Nero, were persecuted under the Popes, and felt the pincers, racks and hot irons of the Inquisitions. We've always been here, always stood against the Whore, and always stood FOR the word of God.

Amen!! :lol

Amen!! :goodpost:

[RayJr]

Some of the most ignorant men are the most educated. To much worldly knowledge not enough biblical knowledge.


Just had to be said some people enjoy throwing the fact that they went to college in everyones face. Get over yourself.

[Psalms18_28]

Who is Peter Waldo? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Waldo

[Jerry]

It doesn't matter who he is. He is just the man that the Catholics falsely claim the Waldenses came from. Contrary to that, their name actually came from the valley the Waldenses lived in - and they took or were called by the name Waldenses several centuries before Mr. Waldo even showed up on the scene.

[Guest Guest]

Is anyone still interested in discussing the topic of the thread, or has this turned into the "catholic conspiracy" thread?

[Jerry]

No conspiracy - just fact. The Catholic church is the largest false religion on this planet. It is not based on truth - therefore it is demonic, evil, and created by the Devil. There, does that make it plain enough? Quit defending it, unless you can do so Scripturally. There are tons of threads on these boards showing what is wrong with Catholicism according to the Bible. I, and I am sure many others here, find it offensive that you keep defending that false religion on these boards. Some of us have come out of it, others here have done major research on this matter - you are defending an abominable, idolatrous system based on deception and a false works-based gospel - THAT"S why it is challenged whenever you post untruths about that system.

If you don't know what is wrong with Catholicism, start digging into your Bible more, and comparing what it literally says with what that church/religion teaches, instead of defending Catholicism (and its history) on a BAPTIST message board.

[Guest Guest]

Good morning Mr. Jerry. I haven't been defending Catholicism. I never said that they didn't persecute agnostics and other non-catholic peoples. I have been pointing out some inaccuracies and inconsistencies in your own church's history (or at tleast the history that you proffer). I do believe that the Catholic Church is wrong on a few points. However, I don't make blanket statements condemning all catholics to hell. I anticipate accounting for myself personally before my Lord, not accounting for an entire church. I have a feeling that catholic's (and your own) situation will be similar. You seem like a (biblically) well read guy with a lot of potential. Just think of the possiblities you would have if you would try loving truth as much as you hate catholicisim. The two of us probably have little difference concerning christian doctrine. On the other hand, we are at sharp conflict over how we treat others different from ourselves and our need to "prove" we are right and someone else is wrong. In the end, no one KNOWS (for an absolute fact) who is right and who is wrong. All we can do is have faith that we are serving the Lord pleasingly.

Even though I cannot hear your voice as I read your post, I do sense a lot of hostility. I don't know the culture that you find yourself in, but I believe that your approach would drive people in my own culture away from you and your message. Your way may be very effective where you are from, but please remember that people differ vastly, and somtimes a more polite, reasoned approach may be more appropriate for accomplishing your goals. I really do consider the things that you, and others, post. I try to look them up and research them to make sure there isn't something out there that I've been missing. However, I find a lot of your contentions unsubstantiated, or the varifying source to be some website that makes a lot of claims but has no reliable credentials. Another thing is you say that Catholics believe or do something and when I ask a catholic about it they look at me funny and say they have never heard of it. I hope this clears a few things up and I look forward to a polite gentlemanly response.

[Jerry]

In the end' date=' no one KNOWS (for an absolute fact) who is right and who is wrong. All we can do is have faith that we are serving the Lord pleasingly.[/quote']

You cannot please the Lord unless you are pleasing Him by faith - that means according to His Word (Romans 10:17 and 14:23). It is also His Word that teaches us we can be sure of our salvation and of our doctrine.



Perhaps you can find the Catholic Catechism online - and there you will find what their religion officially teaches and practices. Yes, an individual Catholic may only be nominal in name and may be ignorant of RC doctrine - but then, if that is the case, their beliefs are not Catholic believes then (but their personal hodgepodge).

[LindaR]

No conspiracy - just fact. The Catholic church is the largest false religion on this planet. It is not based on truth - therefore it is demonic, evil, and created by the Devil. There, does that make it plain enough? Quit defending it, unless you can do so Scripturally. There are tons of threads on these boards showing what is wrong with Catholicism according to the Bible. I, and I am sure many others here, find it offensive that you keep defending that false religion on these boards. Some of us have come out of it, others here have done major research on this matter - you are defending an abominable, idolatrous system based on deception and a false works-based gospel - THAT"S why it is challenged whenever you post untruths about that system.

If you don't know what is wrong with Catholicism, start digging into your Bible more, and comparing what it literally says with what that church/religion teaches, instead of defending Catholicism (and its history) on a BAPTIST message board.

Thanks Bro. Jerry.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

The Roman Catholic Church is in the Bible. Revelation 17 describes it in full detail.

[Guest Guest]

Of course the average Catholic doesn't know that stuff: when "Father" says the "Mass," it's in LATIN, a language that like 2% of the world outside of the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic "churches" understands. The beliefs of the Catholic system are rarely discussed in detail because they are completely and totally perverse and unbiblical.


Edited by Bakershalfdozen - Of course we don't agree with Catholicism, but not every Catholic Priest is a child molester - just like not every IFB preacher is a child molester (and I have known a few of those).

[Guest Guest]

I just got on started here and I thought you were KJV only. But really you are just a bunch of Pharisees and apostates. Thats right I said it. You call yourselves independent fundamental Baptist. You dont even know what that means. The KJV is perfect. God said he would perserve his word and that his faithfullness endureth to all generations. So that means he would have a PERFECT Bible today. And that is the KJV. Try to prove it wrong. I would like you just to try to find one mistake. The thing is you cant! Im a Bible Believing Born Again Christian! I dont belong to no Pharisee sect. I dont belong to no click. I belong to Jesus Christ! AMEN! I am an independent fundamental Baptist but first I am a Born Again Bible Believing Christian! Before Baptist you are Son of God! You put Baptist above Christian. Why is that? You never see Paul intorduce him self and say "My name is Paul, im a Jew." Why do you put Baptist above Christian? The Lord gave me these words to say and I speak the truth from the Holy Spirit of God that lives inside of me!