Interaction between KJVO and nonKJVO

[Jerry]

Readability is not the only issue when choosing a translation. However' date=' to somehow think that the KJV is more readable for ANYONE is really shows how far some have come in the blind support for the KJV.[/quote']

You need to forget the insults and remember where you are - on a KJVonly message board. We are not blind, but have chosen our position carefully, after much studying and prayer.

For many the KJV IS easier to read than some modern versions. My sister and I read the NASV for four years (and she is not the best reader). Then we became convinced of the accuracy of the KJV, and became KJVonly - and it was waaay easier to read than the NASV.

[Annie]

The KJV is waaay easier to read than the NASV.

I'd have to agree with you there, Jerry. The NASB is not known for its readability. It sacrifices readability for accuracy, IMO.

[Guest Guest]

And...let's not forget that the KJV needs no copyright permission from it's author..because it is inspired my the Holy Spirit. Why is it that all other versions need copyright permission? Hmmm? :smile BTW, my NIV was pitched in the trash...long before I got saved. :smile

candlelight

[Jerry]

Hm, good thing the KJV didn't do that? Besides, what good is accuracy from the wrong (corrupted) manuscripts?

[Guest Guest]

Hm' date=' good thing the KJV didn't do that? Besides, what good is accuracy from the wrong (corrupted) manuscripts?[/quote']

I just say with those perverted books..."garbage in...garbage out". :lol

candlelight

[Behold the Lamb]

Those "perverted" books full of "garbage" tell me about a Savior who came for me, lived a perfect, sinless life, and died on a cross, so that whosoever would believe in Him would not perish, but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

[Guest Guest]

Behold the Lamb...When I read and studied the beauty and especially the blood scriptures in the KJVO...the Lord Jesus Christ spoke to me, and told me that the KJVO was the complete and ONLY Word of God. We are saved by His blood, correct? The KJVO is complete with EVERY verse. Acts 8:37...And, Phillip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. KJV 1611 AV. Colossians 1:14...In whom we have redemption (been set free) through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: KJV 1611 AV. May God bless you! :smile

candlelight

[Jerry]

Those "perverted" books full of "garbage" tell me about a Savior who came for me' date=' lived a perfect, sinless life, and died on a cross, so that whosoever would believe in Him would not perish, but have everlasting life.[/quote']

So? Even the worst Bible story book, watered down and corrupted, might still contain that information - should we endorse it and use it in our witnessing to others? No, we should use sound materials. How much leaven will undo the good in the version? Besides, God doesn't want us reading a lowest common denominator Bible - He wants us to live by "every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." I bet you even the Reader's Digest Condensed Bible "contains" the info you are saying in the other MVs - I guarantee God isn't interested in people passing down a mutilated form of His Word.

[Annie]

Jerry, I don't think I've gotten your take on the topic of this thread. Care to share?

[Guest Guest]

Very well, said...Jerry! I have never heard it phrased that way before. Jerry said, "I guarantee God isn't interested in people passing down a mutilated form of His word".

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[John81]

God can work wonders in our hearts and I do believe it's possible for a person to come to Christ through some of the MVs. Even so, we are commanded to live by the Whole Word of God and that's not contained in the MVs which is why even those who may have came to Christ reading an MV should turn to the KJB for full growth as a true disciple of Christ.

[Annie]

Since this thread has served its purpose, I'll close 'er down now. Thanks, one and all, for your input.

[Jerry]

Annie, you asked me for my position on the question you asked. I tried to reply earlier, but the boards went down for awhile. Here is my reply, then I will lock the thread again.

What is the appropriate level of interaction (or highest possible level of interaction) between ministries that are in disagreement over the KJV issue?

So, for the sake of discussion, let's picture a ministry (like my church, or a Christian school) whose official position is that the KJV is a faithful translation, just as certain other versions are also faithful translations of God's Word. This ministry uses only the KJV from the pulpit, as well as in all interaction with attendees. The average attendee would not ever know of the ministry's position on the issue. It is not brought up unless someone asks a question about it (in which case an honest answer is given). IOW, it is a non-issue, as far as this ministry is concerned, but it is not hidden from those who want to know. I'm curious to know how many of you would attend, say, a conference or service(s) at such a ministry, and I'd like to know the reasoning behind your answer, if you care to express it. I would also be interested in a comparison of the perceived importance of the textual issue compared to other issues (like choice of music, dress standards, doctrines that aren't part of the "fundamentals," etc.).

I would not attend some "Bible conference" that used another version of the Bible. I believe there are serious and significant differences between the KJV and the MVs - and as such have no desire to learn Bible studies or hear messages based on other versions. The message will be different to whatever extent the text differs from that of the KJV (no other way around that fact). Because I am convinced that the KJV is God's Word in English - therefore any departure from it is not God's Word - I do not want to learn what others glean out of other versions.

If I had to go to such a conference because my work required it (I work at a Gospel Mission), then I would go and critique everything said/taught in light of the KJV. I certainly wouldn't look forward to it. The Gospel Mission supports other translations - however, they have NEVER ever told me what Bible to use or not use. If they EVER told me not to use the King James Bible or restricted my messages/devotionals preached at mealtimes, I would give my notice that day.

I don't know if it was this thread or another that wondered where someone drew the line in interaction with others that were not KJVonly, or who did not support the KJV. I would not support some missionary that was not KJVonly, nor can I fellowship with others who reject the KJV. There are some that find it difficult to read (lack of familiarity will it will do that to you), but as long as they are not bucking and kicking what it says, I can fellowship with them. If they are too busy explaining it away, correcting it, arguinging against it because it is "the KJV", etc. then we have no fellowship (the same as if someone was determined to trust in their works for salvation/their relationship with God or was deliberately holding on to false or cult doctrine - can't fellowship if they won't even dig/look into the Bible for what is being discussed/debated).

I have found, generally-speaking, that I can have limited fellowship with another true believer who is stuck on their MVs or their different doctrine (and yes, you will get some different doctrine out of different Bible versions) - we may have some things in common, but typically they are presenting the usual "Christian cliches", rather than what the Bible says when difficult issues come up. Such as misquoting John 17, or Matthew 7:1, or 1 Samuel 16:7, etc. It is not so much that I refuse to fellowship with them (at least not at first), but that it is impossible when they continually turn back to their false doctrines, favourite misquoted passages, favourite Bible perversions.

I have had some good fellowship with someone who, even though they personally don't read the KJV, are willing to listen/interact with it as we are speaking. I don't use anything else (as per my sincere convictions). If a friend or coworker is willing to discuss what the KJV says (even if they also want to look up the passage in their own Bible), then we can have fellowship. If they say, "that's just what your Bible says", then fellowship normally goes nowhere edifying.