Textual/version stance

[Annie]

It's up to you to prove the errors or be quiet.

Jerry, you've referred to "errors" twice now, I think. I would have to know what you mean by this term before I'd attempt to address what you've asked me to do. (I don't recall having mentioned any errors.) If you could respond to this question, then I would know better how to interact with this statement. What, specifically, do you mean by errors? Contradictions within the KJV text itself (as in the KJV I have in front of me)? Or something else?

I'd also like some feedback from my other comments; would you be so kind as to provide some?

[kevinmiller]

Jerry, you've referred to "errors" twice now, I think. I would have to know what you mean by this term before I'd attempt to address what you've asked me to do. (I don't recall having mentioned any errors.) If you could respond to this question, then I would know better how to interact with this statement. What, specifically, do you mean by errors? Contradictions within the KJV text itself (as in the KJV I have in front of me)? Or something else?

I'd also like some feedback from my other comments; would you be so kind as to provide some?

You'll have to get used to people not responding to posts that are difficult to answer. :wink

[JerryNumbers]

Jerry, you've referred to "errors" twice now, I think. I would have to know what you mean by this term before I'd attempt to address what you've asked me to do. (I don't recall having mentioned any errors.) If you could respond to this question, then I would know better how to interact with this statement. What, specifically, do you mean by errors? Contradictions within the KJV text itself (as in the KJV I have in front of me)? Or something else?

I'd also like some feedback from my other comments; would you be so kind as to provide some?

1st, I'm not the other Jerry's spokesman, but I don't believe he stated that there were errors in the KJ Bible, I believe he feels towards it as I do. I firmly believe the KJ Bible does not contradict itself and that there are no errors in it.

He did say this.

"Other Jerry wrote"
"It's up to you to prove the errors or be quiet."

I feel he was saying its up to whom ever he was posting this to prove there was errors in the KJ's Bible.

2nd, The other Jerry is not around a computer 100% of the time. And sometimes when your away, them come back, for one reason or another we all can fail to reply to a post someone has made, especially in a topic where many post have been made. Some of these might be the reason for no reply.

I might add, I don't usually get very involved real heavy on debates about Bible versions. I have compared most of them, seems to me they disagree with on another somewhat, I chose to use the KJ, I've used it all of my 61 years, it has never let me down.

There is a book written by Dr. Mickey P. Carter, "Things That Are Different Are Not The Same," it explores several different versions of the Bible compared to the KJ, quite plain, the KJ comes out way on top hands down.

Recently I have probably failed to reply to some post, had a bit of computer problems.

Kevin, Thanks for the comment about studying. Sometimes I make comments and use the expression, it seems, I try to always use it when I make a statement towards someone not studying their Bible enough as well as other statements I make, but there may have been times when I failed to add it, when I fail to add it, I suppose such a statement could sound kind of harsh. But that said, we all have our opinion, and it seems we are not bashful about expressing it. So perhaps we should not take it so hard when someone disagrees with us. When I disagree with some one, its not slander, it is only that I disagree. Slandering someone should not be a trait of a brother or sister of Jesus Christ.

[rancher824]

At the risk of repeating myself, this is an incorrect understanding of my position. For one thing, I have not noticed any more contradictions between the major reliable translations and the KJV than I have noticed within the KJV itself. And any differences I've noticed are negligible, as they do not give contradictory information about any important biblical themes, ideas, or doctrines.

I believe the high lighted part to be what Jerry is refering to. If there are contridictions then there are errors. For a contridiction is an error. So you have stated that the KJV has errors and he is asking for you to prove it.

[Annie]

You'll have to get used to people not responding to posts that are difficult to answer.

Hmmm....I didn't think my post was too difficult to answer. And I don't mean to be impatient. Thanks, Jerry#s for the good reminder. I've never been asked to leave a site before, so that part especially was a bit worrisome to me. I sent a PM to Jerry as well, but he hasn't gotten back with me. I've noticed him posting on other threads. Maybe he's still thinking about how to answer. Maybe some of you know what he's talking about and can help me out. (???) Anyone?

The "errors" challenge prompted me to ask the question above. I didn't want to take the time to look up several KJV Scripture passages that show contradictions if that sort of thing isn't what Jerry was referring to. I am trying to understand where he's coming from (what he thinks an "error" is) before I answer that question.

ETA: Rancher, I think you and I posted at the same time. Thanks for the input. I'll wait a little longer to see if that's what Jerry thinks, too. (Maybe I'm just lazy...Don't want to go to a bunch of work to find things that aren't what Jerry's looking for. )

[JerryNumbers]

Hmmm....I didn't think my post was too difficult to answer. And I don't mean to be impatient. Thanks, Jerry#s for the good reminder. I've never been asked to leave a site before, so that part especially was a bit worrisome to me. I sent a PM to Jerry as well, but he hasn't gotten back with me. I've noticed him posting on other threads. Maybe he's still thinking about how to answer. Maybe some of you know what he's talking about and can help me out. (???) Anyone?

The "errors" challenge prompted me to ask the question above. I didn't want to take the time to look up several KJV Scripture passages that show contradictions if that sort of thing isn't what Jerry was referring to. I am trying to understand where he's coming from (what he thinks an "error" is) before I answer that question.

ETA: Rancher, I think you and I posted at the same time. Thanks for the input. I'll wait a little longer to see if that's what Jerry thinks, too. (Maybe I'm just lazy...Don't want to go to a bunch of work to find things that aren't what Jerry's looking for. )

You seem to be th one putting down KJ Bible on a KJ Bible site. Remember, Jerry did post this too.

"Other Jerry wrote"
"It's up to you to prove the errors or be quiet."

So Jerry may be well waiting on you to try and prove that the KJ is wrong, of course its impossible for you to prove it is wrong.

[Guest Guest]

Jerry...pardon me for interrupting. LOL. It is "impossible" for any man/woman to prove that the KJVO is wrong. :thumb People have been "trying" to dispute the accuracy of this Bible for ages...and, are unable to do so. Hmmm? What does that tell me? I repeat...the KJV 1611 AV needs no copyright permission from it's author. Why? The author is the Holy Spirit...Himself. All other Bibles need permission from the author to print and/or take scriptures out of them and post. They are written by sinful man, and are NOT inspired by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit spoke to the prophets and they spoke the words of God to men/women of that day. Later it was translated into the English language by the greatest scholars that the world has ever known. This says it ALL for me, folks. May Christ bless all of you.

candlelight

[Guest Guest]

I repeat...the KJV 1611 AV needs no copyright permission from it's author. Why? The author is the Holy Spirit...Himself. All other Bibles need permission from the author to print and/or take scriptures out of them and post.

That really isn't much proof candlight, I agree that the KJV is perfect and as such is "written by God" but how many books written(or in this case translated) 400 years ago need copyright permission from the author? That is really a terrible argument, particuarly since the english crown did put a copyright on it.

[JerryNumbers]

Jerry...pardon me for interrupting. LOL. It is "impossible" for any man/woman to prove that the KJVO is wrong. :thumb People have been "trying" to dispute the accuracy of this Bible for ages...and' date=' are unable to do so. Hmmm? What does that tell me? I repeat...the [b']KJV 1611 AV needs no copyright permission from it's author. Why? The author is the Holy Spirit...Himself. All other Bibles need permission from the author to print and/or take scriptures out of them and post. They are written by sinful man, and are NOT inspired by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit spoke to the prophets and they spoke the words of God to men/women of that day. Later it was translated into the English language by the greatest scholars that the world has ever known. This says it ALL for me, folks. May Christ bless all of you.

candlelight

KJ 1611 AV
Psa 12:6 The wordes of the Lord are pure wordes: as siluer tried in a fornace of earth purified seuen times.

They can prove it wrong only in their mind. :uuhm:

[Guest Guest]

That really isn't much proof candlight, I agree that the KJV is perfect and as such is "written by God" but how many books written(or in this case translated) 400 years ago need copyright permission from the author? That is really a terrible argument, particuarly since the english crown did put a copyright on it.

Seth, of all people not to put a copyright on the KJV 1611 AV...the english crown? :-S These are the same people that fought against the Americans in the Revolutionary War, years later? Of course...they would put a copyright seal on the KJV 1611 AV if they could have...but, they didn't want to mess around with Almighty God. They weren't that dumb.

candlelight

[Guest Guest]

KJ 1611 AV
Psa 12:6 The wordes of the Lord are pure wordes: as siluer tried in a fornace of earth purified seuen times.

They can prove it wrong only in their mind. :uuhm:

Jerry8.

candlelight

[Annie]

You seem to be th one putting down KJ Bible on a KJ Bible site. Remember, Jerry did post this too.

"Other Jerry wrote"
"It's up to you to prove the errors or be quiet."

So Jerry may be well waiting on you to try and prove that the KJ is wrong, of course its impossible for you to prove it is wrong.

So, Jerry's waiting for the impossible, eh? No wonder he hasn't been around.

If you'd go back and look at my wording, you'll understand that I wasn't making a claim that the KJV has errors. I was merely mentioning (as a side note) that I hadn't noticed any more contradictions between versions than I had noticed in the KJV itself. Someone else said that a contradiction is the same as an error. Those weren't my words. That's why when Jerry asked me to "prove the errors," I wasn't sure what he meant.

[Guest Guest]

[quote]Seth, of all people not to put a copyright on the KJV 1611 AV...the english crown? These are the same people that fought against the Americans in the Revolutionary War, years later? Of course...they would put a copyright seal on the KJV 1611 AV if they could have...but, they didn't want to mess around with Almighty God. They weren't that dumb.[/quote]


The English crown supported the KJV. That is why it is known both as the [u]King James[/u] Version and as the [u]Authorised[/u] Version. Both references to the English crown. The crown most certainly did place a copyright on it too. Who ever has been telling you "it isn't copyrighted" hasn't been totally honest with you.

If you check the title page on a original 1611 KJV it says:

"Cum Privilegio"

Or with privilege. That was what they put on a book in those days to show it was copyrighted. Today in other countries outside of England that copyright is not enforced, but in England the crown copyright is still in effect. For example, just now I looked in a KJV bible I have printed by cambrige university press, and the title page has this printed in it:

"All rights in the Authorised version are vested in the crown"

Then a few more similar things follow.

They most definitely copyrighted the KJV right off, and that copyright is still in effect since crown copyrights do not expire. It simply isn't enforced in the rest of the world because they haven't the ability to enforce their copyright. But it does exist.

[Guest Guest]

Seth...the KJV 1611 AV is ONLY copyrighted when it becomes a study Bible. When the publishing companies add the side bars, notes, introductions, appendixes, etc. The KJV 1611 AV Bible itself is authored by the Holy Spirit, and that portion does not need copyright permission. My information is not wrong, Seth.

[kevinmiller]

[quote="candlelight"]Seth...the KJV 1611 AV is ONLY copyrighted when it becomes a study Bible. When the publishing companies add the side bars, notes, introductions, appendixes, etc. The KJV 1611 AV Bible itself is authored by the Holy Spirit, and that portion does not need copyright permission. My information is not wrong, Seth.[/quote]
Then please provide proof to back it up.