Timeline of the EndTime, mathematical/holy day co-relation

[OLD fashioned preacher]

9 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said:

OFP

 

Creation 4004 BC

1,000 year divisions of time

1997 AD is 6000 years since Creation

 

4004+1997= 6001

OR

6000 - 4004= 1996

If you want to add 21 years for Jacob's trouble (the determination for 21 is a separate question) places you at 2017AD

The timeline just became skewed due to mathematical inaccuracy.

[Davidjayjordan]

As mentioned Preacher, there is no 0 AD or 0 BC, therefore you cant simply take the confirmed time length of 6000 years of world history from Creation

or the six confirmed 1000 year confirmations straight through the change-over from BC to AD...

Therefore 4004 BC til 1997 AD does compute... and yield 6000 years

But at least you are trying mathematically to disprove the basic timeline, Preacher. I dont think we need RED LETTERS though.

 

See below for the 1,000 year confirmations, as the Millinium is also a thousand years. The Lord is very repetitive in His design so that time frames are repeated over and over again, as a template

 

4004 B.C.
This date is easily confirmed by using the Bible genealogies in Genesis, the First Book of the Bible. For according to the number
of years from a birth of one of our forefathers to the birth of the next generation son  until, a known and recognized date is found
like the years of King David, then this summation gives us the number of years backwards to the Days of Creation.. SEE


2004 B.C.
In Genesis 12: 4, it states that Abarham was 75 years old when he obeyed the Lord and left Haran by FAITH, this according to
the numbers being in 1921 B.C.. (SEE Side dating in most KJV Bibles) This meaning he was born in around 1997 B.C. which
correlates amazingly to the End of 6,000 Years in 1997 A.D. And hence 2004 B.C. was during the time frame of Terah and was
SEVEN Years previous to the birth of Abraham and

1004 B.C.
According to I Kings 8, Solomon moved the Ark of the Covenant into the city of David (Jerusalem) in 1005 B.C. And so let's
consider this closeness to 1004 B.C. as a co-relation.

4 B.C.
There are varying dates for the Lord's Birth Year, but because of the divisions of time and His exactness, let's use 4 B.C. as the
date of His birth, because of the way, this number fits so perfectly in with prophecy. (SEE . This
making his death in 30. A.D.

1997 A.D.
If 4004 B.C. was the date of Creation, then exactly 6000 years later would make the Year 1997 A.D. for the End of Man's Rule,
and so the Lord's rule would have to start with the Lord's ****, search for the Lord's Bride in the '' of Service required to obtain these ****** Virgin Brides. This ending ******* 2017, when all of the Lord's Brides shall be
sealed at the start of the Great Tribulation. (SEE ********)

 

Edited August 14, 2018 by Davidjayjordan

[Davidjayjordan]

11 hours ago, Alan said:

I have the blessed hope of meeting the Lord Jesus in the air before the 7 Year Tribulation, the signing if the Tribulation Covenant, the Nuclear War (s), and most certainly will miss out on following the two witnesses.

David,

I love prophecy, I love the book of Revelation and the book of Daniel. But, I do not care to set dates on the prophecies of the events of the book of Revelation and Daniel. Nor, do I like to debate these dates.

Alan

 

Good for you Alan, Dont set the dates or dates... its a terrible past time and can lead to all kinds of disastrous decision making, as so many have found out.

Its foolishness and makes people disregard the exactness of prophecy.

But wait for the first two hindsight events that absolutely start off the LAST SEVEN YEARS, because the one thing we know is that the Lord is not coming tomorrow...

 

All prophecy has to be fulfilled, all timelines have to be accomplished and all events happen in sequential chronological order. Prophecy is written in stone and can not be avoided or annulled or changed. The major events will happen as described by the Lords prophets, they were not conditional.

 

1. The date of the signing of the Covenant

2. The date the Sacrificing starts.... (but then again it has to be a holy day corelation and has to be done at Passover. Hence after 1...comes the sacrificing before the 3rd Temple, in the next year, and the difference or waiting time has to be 2555 days minus 2300 days or 255 days)

 

In other words, none of us have to have foresight right now, although it helps, but these two events will make us THEN get it together and study and pray and figure out prophetic timing because the next major event will determine our survival and our ability to fight the goof fight of FAITH til the END.

SEE next posting... for Date setting posted for NO Nolaties (spelling)

 

[Davidjayjordan]

7 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

I'm not sure which "one verse" you're speaking about. I quoted several verses that all attest to the fact that no man knows when Christ will return. We can know the season of his return, but we can't know the day of his return. The Lord was very specific in this regard. You, I, nor anyone else knows (or can know) the date of his return. No amount of mathematics, comparing the Israel feasts with events, nor any other way of determining his return will matter. We don't know. We can't know. We won't know...even those who are here and alive during the Tribulation period won't know...he will come at a time that they think not.

I adjure you to repent of setting any dates. The Lord Jesus Christ has said that no man knows...no man.

 

As mentioned NO Nicolaites,

Dont set 2nd Coming dates....

Its foolishness, when there are so many exact events and times ahead that will confirm the Lords Timeline.

Study, meditate, ponder, read and understand that all time frames and all exact days will be fulfilled exactly, as they were written not as decoration or for others but for us to understand and comprehend and to follow.

Repent is a rather strong word, when I dont see anywhere it says where we are suppose to be unaware of the Lords time table. We are of the day not the night, and so are suppose to use prophecy as a forewarning and Guide.

The events will not happen to us as a thief in the night.

As I said to Alan, wait for the starting confirmations dates of the Covenant signing and then the Start of Sacrificing before the 3rd Temple.

WE still have at least 7 more years, thats a given... the Lord isn;t going to change Prophecy, and he will be expecting us Christians to have faith and understanding rather than another group to do what we are suppose to be doing.

Lots to do before we go... the fields are white already for harvesting.... lets know the harvesting times and be prepared IMO

If you have another opinion according to scriptures so be it. Our individual choices and our responsibilities.

So back to the 2nd Coming date I proposed mathematically and spiritually.

It definitely has an implication 7 years earlier.... Im writing that up as IMPLICATIONS, as Sept 21, also has IMPLICATIONS on the dark side, the evil vile AC side. For again we have to know our enemy, before hand so as not to fall for his traps and deceptions.

So Bro... there are about six exact events that happen before my date of Aug 10 2025. Its not a shot in the dark. Lots of time to recalculate. Wait, consider, research etc etc etc..

Besides according to Daniel 9 and Revelation we are to flee in the middle of the last SEVEN Years.

 

This said over and over and over and over again...3.5 years, 42 months, time times and a dividing of time.. its repeated by the Lord so that we would consider it.

At this point we had better have moved to the right location and be in the right frame of mind mentally and spiritually to obey and keep being used by the Lord... as we exodus, to Kadesh Barnea, following the route of our past Christian forefather..and where he and they stayed.

In other words, 3.5 years before 2025 we had better have obeyed, if we want to continue, otherwsie we shall easily be negated by the AC and his ilk much previous to 2025 IMO.

 

So lets consider the possibilities and see if the exact signposts come and are fulfilled.... and then lets recalculate, and search and research and PRAY... for knowledge and discernment.

IHS

 

David

[OLD fashioned preacher]

37 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

As mentioned Preacher, there is no 0 AD or 0 BC, therefore you cant simply take the confirmed time length of 6000 years of world history from Creation

or the six confirmed 1000 year confirmations straight through the change-over from BC to AD...

Therefore 4004 BC til 1997 AD does compute... and yield 6000 years

But at least you are trying mathematically to disprove the basic timeline, Preacher. I dont think we need RED LETTERS though.

 

See below for the 1,000 year confirmations, as the Millinium is also a thousand years. The Lord is very repetitive in His design so that time frames are repeated over and over again, as a template

 

4004 B.C.   I thought you said using an AD/BC pivot was invalid (see line 1 in this quote)
This date is easily confirmed by using the Bible genealogies in Genesis, the First Book of the Bible. For according to the number
of years from a birth of one of our forefathers to the birth of the next generation son  until, a known and recognized date is found
like the years of King David, then this summation gives us the number of years backwards to the Days of Creation.. SEE
Forefathers Timeline Graphics

2004 B.C. Again 6000 - 4004 = 1996 (That sir is math, no BC/AD, just numbers and mathematical function) NOT 1997
In Genesis 12: 4, it states that Abarham was 75 years old when he obeyed the Lord and left Haran by FAITH, this according to
the numbers being in 1921 B.C.. (SEE Side dating in most KJV Bibles) This meaning he was born in around 1997 B.C. which
correlates amazingly to the End of 6,000 Years in 1997 A.D. And hence 2004 B.C. was during the time frame of Terah and was
SEVEN Years previous to the birth of Abraham and His Step of FAITH

1004 B.C. Excuse me, math is PRECISE, not merely (close enough for government work, after all "you can't see it from a trotting horse")
According to I Kings 8, Solomon moved the Ark of the Covenant into the city of David (Jerusalem) in 1005 B.C. And so let's
consider this closeness to 1004 B.C. as a co-relation.

4 B.C.
There are varying dates for the Lord's Birth Year, but because of the divisions of time and His exactness, let's use 4 B.C. as the
date of His birth, because of the way, this number fits so perfectly in with prophecy. (SEE Great Pyramid Prophecy). This
making his death in 30. A.D.

1997 A.D. IF (see 1st word in your sentence below) . Now if your "if" is the first part of "if / then" statement then it possible (in limited precise paramenters) to have an "if" in your equation. Such as: distance from point A to point B  "IF bridge is above water, THEN distance is X -- IF bridge is flooded THEN distance is Y. However, when your first known factor is "If 4004 B.C. was ...." then you have created an inability to nail a solid date mathematically, only an estimate.
If 4004 B.C. was the date of Creation, then exactly 6000 years later would make the Year 1997 A.D. for the End of Man's Rule,
and so the Lord's rule would have to start with the Lord's Two End Time Prophets, search for the Lord's Bride in the 'Additional
21 Years' of Service required to obtain these 144,000 Virgin Brides. This ending in 2017, when all of the Lord's Brides shall be
sealed at the start of the Great Tribulation. (SEE Prophecy Timelines)

 

My use of different color font, different size font, italicizing, etc is for emphasis!

Please see comments within the above quote (there it is used to distinguish your words from mine).

You asked for the math to be examined, that's what I have done (from a mathematical standpoint).

[Davidjayjordan]

Yes, and I explained it, as you requested.

And thanks for your color coding explanation that I asked for.

But lets be more specific, for if you delve deeper into the mathematics, there is a plus or minus possibility, according to the start and timing of some of the day counts.

https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadd.html

Because the Hebrew calendar and festivals begin at sundown rather than an arbitrary yet constant MIDNIGHT, there can be a variance of one day added or subtracted.... between days. This is why knowing the festivals dating, can be so valuable as a secondary confirmation of the timing of the Lord.

But that doesnt matter as we have plenty of time to recalculate more exactly, as time progresses, as we definitely have at least 7 more years to go before the Lord comes.

This is more reassuring than being on the edge of our seats, thinking He can come tomorrow or the next day or the next day.

IMO

Lets just keep working and serving the Lord and winning souls so we can be of use to HIM as we go to the End. Most of us wont make it, but some of us will if we keep following HIM via His Past Prophets Help.

 

OCS

 

David

Does anyone know any time frames from Daniel that do not apply or any time frames from Revelation that do not apply and that we can discount, overlook or delete ?

Edited August 14, 2018 by Davidjayjordan

[Davidjayjordan]

9 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

I'm not sure which "one verse" you're speaking about. I quoted several verses that all attest to the fact that no man knows when Christ will return. We can know the season of his return, but we can't know the day of his return. The Lord was very specific in this regard. You, I, nor anyone else knows (or can know) the date of his return. No amount of mathematics, comparing the Israel feasts with events, nor any other way of determining his return will matter. We don't know. We can't know. We won't know...even those who are here and alive during the Tribulation period won't know...he will come at a time that they think not.

I adjure you to repent of setting any dates. The Lord Jesus Christ has said that no man knows...no man.

 

I adjure you to consider prophecy rather than negating it... as mentioned the date setting in the far future is ONLY valid when the two hindsight parameters are meet and fulfilled... giving anyone plenty of time to reconsider or if fulfilled to get more serious about figuring out the timetable of the Lord.

For the glory of God is to conceal a matter, but the honor of kings to search it out

For prophecy was meant to be studied and reviewed and talked about rather than us being told not to talk about the specific time frames the Lord gave through His prophets. His prophets spoke encathedral and THUS SAITH the LORD, so I reckon it is of value to talk about these time frames and events leading up to His Second COMING.

If you differ, so be it. Disregard this timetable possibility and have no timeline. Your choice and your responsibility as we are all mature Christians HEREIN.

 

But please, no more of this Repent stuff for searching sxriptures and searching time frames from the prophets in a PROPHECY FORUM. Just lighten up and disagree..No problem

 

IHS

 

David

[Davidjayjordan]

No Nicolates... (Spelling?)

 

This might be a further explanation for you.

 

We know the Day and Hour

  We will know the day and hour of the Lord's Return because the Lord distinctly says in Revelation 11, that it occurs exactly 3 and a
half days after they are killed by the Anti-Christ. Right now, we dont know this exact timing because the TWO CHRISTIAN
WITNESSES only are in prominence during the Great TRIBULATION of 3 and a half years. But now we do know the season and
timing and events the Lord so painstakingly and accurately He told all his prophets.... Daniel being the primary one. Again just read
Mathew 24. For all these prophecies from HIS PROPHETS were not  written down in vain. They were given so we would know the
timing and sequence of events in the End Time. The Lord did not leave us in the dark, as we can know the timing of the Lord's
RETURN. It will not come suddenly and unexpectedly to the Lord's people, only to those that are asleep and are worldly. So when it
says in .........

Mathew  24:36 ¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father

 This makes no sense, because the Lord said that three and half days, after the killing of our two witnesses, Then shall be His Second
Coming. This being in direct contradiction of Mathew 24: 36

Revelation  11:11 ¶ And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and
great fear fell upon them which saw them.

 Consequently we can be reassured of the hour and day of the Lord's RETURN during the darkest day when our TWO LEADERS
are killed and all looks bleak for us and our annihilation. For then we know the Lord is coming to rescue us !!! But no time before that,
we have to go through all the events til the final seventh trumpet. Only death itself can rapture us before the FINAL RAPTURE.

 For again, if you read after verse 36, the Lord said that the heathen didn't know and yet His man NOAH did KNOW  and Noah's
family did KNOW the timing of the GREAT FLOOD..

Mathew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the
flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until
the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 And again the true WORD of God says, we will know and not be in darkness...

1Thessalonians 5: 4-6  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of
light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore letus not sleep, as do] others; but let us watch
and be sober.

 So don't tell me or us that nobody knows and nobody should study and pray, and know prophecy before hand ....... as the Lord
shows us His Prophecy. We are not supposed to be dumb and blind. For have not these deniers read previous to Mathew 24: 36...
where the Lord said ...

Mathew  24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

  For the Lord's words is PROPHECY, and as He has said, every word and every prophecy shall not fail. They shall all be fulfilled.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. The lion hath roared, who
will not fear? the Lord GOD hath spoken, who can but PROPHESY ?

  Consequently we may not know the exact day and hour right now, but BEFORE it happens, the Lord shall tell us, The Lord shall
tell us of things to come..... He knew, and He will tell us.. So don't be fooled by this contrary verse or mistranslation, because Jesus
was from the BEGINNING and knew all things, He was 'God' and as God, knew His design for the future, and planned to show His
people His Plan and reveal His Prophecy and His TIMING.


In My Opinion

David Jay Jordan

[Davidjayjordan]

Did the Lord bark at the two disciples walking to  *****Asmus****, and tell them to repent because they were talking about the events after the Lords Crucifixtion.. or did He explain the prophecies concerning them. Must find those scriptures

For it also says the Holy Spirit will tell us all things.... and because we need wisdom and discernment in the End Times to do our best, rather than just idily waiting for our removal, I again would venture to say the Holy Spirit will be whispering at us, to know the times and seasons and events so we will be prepared mentally, physically and spiritually... rather than being in the dark.

Did Noah know the times, Yes... did the outsides know the times NO.

 

Needless to say I think it helps to be prophecy wise, and know the sign posts and wait for the signposts and reLOOK at the map over and over again, so as to make the right turns in the right TIME to get to our final DESTINATION...and a 'WELL DONE THY GOOD and FAITHFUL SERVANT... by our Lord...JESUS

 

IMHO.

 

David

[Davidjayjordan]

12 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Again, with respect...

Do the words of the Lord Jesus Christ (regarding his second coming) have no bearing on the fact that you have set a date of August 10, 2025 for his return?

Matthew 24:3, 36, and 42

3  And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

42  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

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Matthew 25:13

Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

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Mark 13:4, 33, and 35-37

4  Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

33  Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

 

35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

(Why should we watch (as commanded by Jesus) if we know when he will return?

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Luke 12:40

40  Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

 

 

 

All those verses come from one discussion the Lord gave His disciples concerning the Temple Mount and Temple worship that the religious system was into..

Yes, Watch for the signs, and know the timing.

 

The wise virgins had S{PIRIT or oil in their lamps to show them the way, so again I would suggest that knowing and watching for the signposts is helpful and godly and not ungodly and unChristian to talk about such signposts and their timing... as stated by so many prophets...THUS SAITH THE LORD prophets

[OLD fashioned preacher]

Look, you stated EXACT day /month / year calendar dates. There were math calculation inconsistencies. You didn't ask for theological critique but rather mathematical objections. Now you introduce the idea of numerical (date) ranges after stating emphatic, specific dates. You have not answered the inconsistencies pointed out while seeking to be SPECIFIC and DEFINITIVE in the mathematical projections. I'm done here unless a specific "beginning reference point" and subsequent mathematical functions line up (mathematically) with the concluded dates. You still have a ONE YEAR discrepancy, not the day or two you stated in the last post.

[Jim_Alaska]

David,

I see you are a new member and posting quite a bit of information, which is appreciated. New members are always welcome here and encouraged to post. They are also encouraged to go to the "Introduction" forum and introduce themselves and tell a bit about who they are and their salvation experience.

I see you have not done this and I would encourage you to do so before settling in to a quasi-teaching position on these boards. This will allow others to properly welcome you and give them an idea of who you are and what things you believe.

[Davidjayjordan]

2 hours ago, OLD fashioned preacher said:

Look, you stated EXACT day /month / year calendar dates. There were math calculation inconsistencies. You didn't ask for theological critique but rather mathematical objections. Now you introduce the idea of numerical (date) ranges after stating emphatic, specific dates. You have not answered the inconsistencies pointed out while seeking to be SPECIFIC and DEFINITIVE in the mathematical projections. I'm done here unless a specific "beginning reference point" and subsequent mathematical functions line up (mathematically) with the concluded dates. You still have a ONE YEAR discrepancy, not the day or two you stated in the last post.

Easy old fashioned preacher.... settle those horses down....

For the third time, I repeat thyere was no year called either 0 B.C. or O A.D

The Creation line from the easy to add up date of 4404 BC is accurate, unless you have a different one, and if you add 6000 years because of the exact time frame consistency of 1,000 year divisions, then Yes, it ends in 1997 as mentioned...add 21 years for Jacobs Trouble and you get 2018.

Rosh Hannah, of the Lords calendar system is called and deemed the Head of the Year, so that also is a reasonable ending... and new start point for the Last SEVEN YEARS of the Lords Prophet Daniel, who the Lord said was His PROPHET, when Jesus referred to the Abomination of Desolation being set up in the Holy Place (of the 3rd Temple).

As for days counting, that is slightly dependant on whether the start time is evening as with the Hebrew Calendar or midnight.

But Im more than happy being one day plus or minus one day at this stage, unless you have a better more precise timeline.

After the Covenant is signed, I promise to get back to you, unless you deny the Covenant signing and Daniel 9. No problem, Ive been around for a while...and Im in it for the long term, as prophecy understanding is a much needed asset and discernment for us in the End Time.

[Davidjayjordan]

No problem Jim. I usually like two way conversations rather than one way ones.... one way ones, hows that.. I always like questions and answers both ways, its called a true debate and true discussions.But an introduction as a discerner for you... OK...

And I did see that note of yours for newbies to introduce themselves.

And Yes I was baptized in a Baptist local church way back when I was 12 years old. Took the course on a Saturday and got baptized on a SUNDAY. For I reckon you will want to discern if I am truly saved or not. Well I have been a missionary for over fifty years now, so no problem....

Yea, and I am rather well versed on science as I am a graduate with a B.Sc, and do dislike or hate evolutionary doctrine that is unscientific.... and am ot much into material wealth as a proof of spirituality...as those are the few threads I have started.

 

Heres a few of my experiences

[OLD fashioned preacher]

3 hours ago, OLD fashioned preacher said:

Look, you stated EXACT day /month / year calendar dates. There were math calculation inconsistencies. You didn't ask for theological critique but rather mathematical objections. Now you introduce the idea of numerical (date) ranges after stating emphatic, specific dates. You have not answered the inconsistencies pointed out while seeking to be SPECIFIC and DEFINITIVE in the mathematical projections. I'm done here unless a specific "beginning reference point" and subsequent mathematical functions line up (mathematically) with the concluded dates. You still have a ONE YEAR discrepancy, not the day or two you stated in the last post.

 

24 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

Easy old fashioned preacher.... settle those horses down....

For the third time, I repeat thyere was no year called either 0 B.C. or O A.D  Look again at what I said (see in quote above). Did I say anything about BC or AD? Nope, although you do when you use the dates 4004BC and 1997AD and 2018AD. What I said is what I'm placing after your next sentence.

The Creation line from the easy to add up date of 4404 BC is accurate, unless you have a different one, and if you add 6000 years because of the exact time frame consistency of 1,000 year divisions, then Yes, it ends in 1997 as mentioned...add 21 years for Jacobs Trouble and you get 2018. Numbers only, simple basic 3rd or 4th grade subtraction. 6000 - 4004 = 1996    NOT 1997. Let's check our work: 1997 + 4004 = 6001 whereas 1996 +4004 = 6000    1996 is the proper difference when the minuend is 6000 and the subtrahend is 4004.   So 6000 - 4004 + 21 = 2017 NOT 2018. Your 1st equation is in error.

Rosh Hannah, of the Lords calendar system is called and deemed the Head of the Year, so that also is a reasonable ending... and new start point for the Last SEVEN YEARS of the Lords Prophet Daniel, who the Lord said was His PROPHET, when Jesus referred to the Abomination of Desolation being set up in the Holy Place (of the 3rd Temple).

As for days counting, that is slightly dependant on whether the start time is evening as with the Hebrew Calendar or midnight.

But Im more than happy being one day plus or minus one day at this stage, unless you have a better more precise timeline. A day???????? Your key equation is off by AN ENTIRE YEAR.

After the Covenant is signed, I promise to get back to you, unless you deny the Covenant signing and Daniel 9. No problem, Ive been around for a while...and Im in it for the long term, as prophecy understanding is a much needed asset and discernment for us in the End Time. You've yet to address the very issue I brought out (at your request) -- poor MATH!!

This (above) is why I said that until the math is correct, I'm done.