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  1. Great Name... theif, so allow me to answer or attempt to answer, even though I amjust a Christian rather than a certified Baptist. Left behind series is a pre tribualtion rapture series with that prophetic interpretation.. and so maybe that is where your confusion comes from. For I would say from scriptures, all get saved at the Lords SECOND COMING, whether they worked and served HIM or did nothing and just went to HIM because Jesus saved them and not they themselves.. Because the good old Baptist belief that theres eternal security when we receive Jesus applies. Its not by works but by His saving Grace and sacrifice on the cross for us ,,,,,all, even the theif on the cross who didnt have time to do good works for the Lord, and yet still was promised and received ETERNAL LIFE and will be seeing His Saviour afterwards. As for your family, even though endangering my stay here with an answer. I am compiled to give you one because of the Lords concern for you and THEM. Ill just say the LORDS MERCY endureth FOREVER Its a truth The Lord is longsuffering to uswards, not willing that any should... LOOK that one up at Bible Gateway KJV IE, The place opposite heaven..... is not intended for those that go there to be permanent place forever, but can be temporary, as the Lord loves your family, each and every individual..... and if people are humble and learn their lesson in time, the GOOD BOOK seems to indicate they will not stay there, because the Lords MERCY endureth forever.... whether for the first or the LAST .. IMO And I shall not try to convince people otherwise who insist that unbelievers go to that place FOREVER. Some may have to stay there forever\m but the humble and those that receive His LOVE can come out of the pit......
  2. Below is the first mention of the word mistranslation. the poster was not me.. Posted August 14 How can you trust Revelation 11? What if it's mistranslated? I went on the next morning after I had a good nights sleep and responded by showing that Revelation 11 was NOT a mistranslation and had specific exact timeframes before the Coming of the Lord. Itys recorded and theres no editing. SEE Revelation 11, 2 Candlesticks, 2 Olive branches thread Yes I believe, many many people misinterpret Mathew 24 concerning the Lord didnt know prophecy and no one can know any prophecy or any time frames, as I have posted.
  3. Deceit is a rather aggressive word.... besides I was not the first one to use the term mistranslation, if you look back at the thread. Someone stated that Revelation 11 was maybe a mistranslation.... I differ with you.. as mentioned and for the reasons as mentioned and the thread as produced I believe Jesus did know ;past and future prophecy As for the Greek, thats for you to study, most of my study and experience came from the mission field in proving that the WORD OF GOD can be trusted for me and my family. We all have that option I assume. But congratulations on a good name. I have it to.. Jordan means 'descendiong judgment SEE Crossing the Jordan David means 'beloved... jay means just a shortended version of Jordan, as in 'J' Nice fellowshipping with you Jordan....
  4. But heres more of Acts 2 as you requested 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. 25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. 42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
  5. Misinterpretations in it Yes..... But I dont know how anyone can say the Lord didnt say more than what is written in the Gospels. Everything Jesus said was the WORD OF GOD, he was literally the WORD OF GOD SEE Revelation 19 And again, Yes I am a believer in the Holy Spirit teaching and whispering to us.I believe in the Holy Spirit and think the Lords Spirit is talking to us individually the Word of God. Each is responsible to hear HIM correctly... I never knew it was controversial; to believe in the Holy Spirit
  6. Nah.. you go ahead, I have enough trouble with English as is, Im a science type and science graduate and never went to a seminary, just heard from the Lord in the great OUTDOORS of British Columbia. Im not a linguist and believe the KJV translators did a good job in putting it into understandable exact English. Some miks-interpret it, even then.. oh well thats their choice and their responsibility. Onward Christian soldiers
  7. Yes, I have always used the KJV, and memorised about three thousand verses previously.. Good for the soul and those we witness too, should know the exact verses on which to trust in their salvation from the Lord. Yes, it furnishes you for every good work because then you have the power to be preachers and missionaries for Jesus. No dont take away from the words of Revelation and discount it and say it isnt prophecy..... totally agree Dont change them, learn from them the events and **** as stated, including Revelation 11. Bel;ieve and trust in all of it http://www.davidjayjordan.com/RevelationsTimeline.html
  8. Good reply, from your point of view. Thanks..as it seems anyone can be saved as you mention. I agree...and I quess from what you are saying anyone can be a preacher, and tell others about the power and saving Grace of Jesus if done outside of our local area, I agree. I would assume that means they would be missionaries away from home, a small semantic difference in my opinion... but whatever.... a missionary of Jesus never the less. Thanks John. Gpt as lot of smoke there in Spokane, did you find Edgecliff from experience or from a map, Gpt tp f;y..whoops..got tpo fly whoops not much of a typer GOT TO FLY
  9. Can only Baptists be saved ? Can only Baptists become 'missionaries for Jesus' ?
  10. Yup, the Lord is still speaking, as He sent the Holy Ghost to us after His ascension.. Acts 2 King James Version (KJV) 2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. 14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: End of the excerpt from the WORD OF GOD I believe it, dont you all believe it. And do notice, the words of Joel, the prophet, as I was mentioning earlier. Thank you Jesus for your clear and concise answer. Dont you all believe this WORD OF GOD ?
  11. Dave Do consider, answering my questions first, before asking me the same ones. I do have another one for you.... but allow me to wait before we start a mutual question and answer discussion or fellowship in the Word get together..... But as I always try to answer more and more and more, as directed by the Lord, even before you start answering.... Thanks in advance Very clear, very straight forward. Yes everything recorded in the Bible.... is the Word of God... as mentioned many times earlier. Can you say, with me, and with others here that every word of the Bible from the first "In" to the last "Amen" is the complete and perfect inspired and preserved Word of God? Yes, with a qualifier.... the Lord is still speaking And the Holy Spirit is still teaching and whispering to us, and Yes, Joel 2;28 and Acts 2 continues as our young men and women and old men and women are still hearing and seeing from the Lord, and that would be the new Word of God given to our LAST GENERATION.... The second qualifier being that.. John 21 ...25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.? Amen ! In other words, the Lord is a great speaker and talker and continues to speak and continues to act and answer His people.... so if it is allowed, I would say the WORD OF GOD is not limited to just the Bible but is a larger volume than just the Bible. For we can not limit the Holy One of Israel.... IMHO. There I went an answered your questions that you were suppose to answer. So... Can you say with me and others that the Lord is still speaking and that the Holy Spirit is still teaching and whispering to us. Or have they stopped speaking and teaching and whispering to us... The Lord IMO will be speaking and talking with us on into ETERNITY and Beyond. Lets have discernment and hear from HIM...IMHO. Now whats your opinion rather than just asking more and more questions. Take time out to consider answering. Thanks. Love in Jesus, our mutual Saviour and KING David PS) And do consider thinking through what people really believe, for their actions show what they really believe, whereas mere mental ascent to words doesnt always dictate they will follow the mental ascent they have given. As Jesus said, If we do His doctrine then we can know the doctrine... If we havent lived the doctrine and forsaken all and picked up our cross daily and followed Him to the ends of the Earth, our mental acceptance of His Words or directions might not be as important and valid as us, obeying and doing and knowing His WORDS and doctrine. Amen ? Much work to do today, have a good one brethren, great fellow shipping with you.
  12. I believe in the whole Bible.... and even more importantly obeying the whole Bible, by doing it and becoming a missionary for Jesus. Do you think the Holy Spirit is still whispering and teaching Do you think the Lord is still talking / Do you think men can see visions and women dream dreams and old men hear from the Lord, or is that in the past. I answered you can you answer my simple questions. Isnt fellowshipping in the word fun and beneficial ? Ill see ya all in the morning, you'll gotta sleep now.... but lets all participate and all of us answers these questions, rather than just me.... Lets all get involved and have some real fellowship of the Spirit. Lots to pray about and even more to do.
  13. Yup I agree with you. But Joel telles'em what they want to hear...and they want to hear they are going to get blessed and prosperous ......and although i dont like classifications and labels..hes all the godliness is gain theology. No suffering and pain, just God will bless you if you come to my Houston church and put some money in the box to keep up the huge mortgage etc... or read my Osteen Books for a nominal . People love to hear that they will be getting blessed and more prosperous in time if they just keep a comin... Just my opinion from what I have seen, and Yes that smile is so fake...he even says he learned to preach not from the heart but from practicing before a mirror.
  14. While you all consider your answers as to whether the Holy Spirit is still whispering and teaching and whether or not the Lord is still speaking His Words to any of us ? I should clarify my statement a little more, as I am a believer in ALL the Bible , but even more so a believer in us, not just mental ascent to the Bible and the Lords principles, but doing them. Jesus said we had to do His will to understand His will and words.. John 7 ...17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. He told this to the scribes and pharisees, that kept asking HIM questions... WE learn by doing, we learn and KNOW by doing what the Lord said to do. We dont learn and know by sitting back and discussing words as if just mental ascent is sufficient. WE have to forsake all, and give all and follow Jesus to the ends of the world, until death do us part. WE have to become dsiciples and missionaries for Jesus rather than just acknowledge that the Lords WORDS are true. We have to experience them to KNOW they are true. The WORD has to be tried and tested by us, to truly be in us. IMHO Actually I dont know a Protestant or even a Catholic Church system anywhere that doesnt say they believe in every word of God, unless you know of one. Different denominations and churches have different bibles, but they all say they believe in the Bible. So Yes, I am a believer in us doing the WORD OF GOD, more than just the first step of acknowledging the WORD of God. If you believe it then do it... Thats proof to me that you believe in the WORD OF GOD. TTL I shall see more of us on the mission field where the harvest is great. Amen? Amen !
  15. And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: I agree with my statement above... and a different one where I stated I believe in all the prophets of the Lord. For All prophecy has to mesh together in ONE, Therefore we have to consider all prophecies from all the prophets.. Cant get rid of a past So this is my question to you all.. The above verse, does it mean the Lord is still speaking to us, or some of us somewhere, or has He stopped altogether everywhere. Is He speaking no more, or has the Holy Spirit stopped whispering to us individually ? You answer then I will give you my opinion... This word fellow shipping is exciting and fun. Especially when we all get involved and ask and answer questions personally and compare answers.
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