Rick Warren slides deeper into apostacy

[Danny Carlton]

From OneNewsNows...

California mega-church pastor Rick Warren says Christians should not be reticent to work with Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists, and even atheists to cure societal problems.

In conjunction with the presidential forum he is hosting next month at Saddleback Church, Pastor Rick Warren will convene an interfaith meeting for 30 Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders "to discuss cooperation for the common good of all Americans."

Warren's global P.E.A.C.E. plan is an effort to mobilize churches around the world to combat what he calls the five "global giants" of spiritual emptiness, corrupt leadership, poverty, disease and illiteracy. But he says he has no desire for interfaith dialogue; rather he is interested in interfaith cooperation "on things that involve all humans regardless of what we believe."

"When Jesus sent his disciples out [Matthew10]...he said, 'When you go into a village, you find the man of peace,' and he said, 'If he accepts, and he's open, and he's receptive and he's willing to work with you, you start your ministry there,'" says Warren. "[but Jesus] said, 'If you don?t find the man of peace, you dust the dust off your shoes and you go to the next village [be]cause you can always find someone that's willing to work with you," he continues.

In Matthew 10, Jesus, in regards to a specific mission trip by the disciples, not as a command to every Christian said, "And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. And when ye come into an house, salute it. And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet." Warren ignores the context as well as most of the verses, then grossly mis-paraphrases the small part he wants to abuse to rationalize his compromise.

[Guest Guest]

:sad IMO, Rick Warren has gotten his mind warped since writing "A Purpose Driven Life." Using all of those MV's has really made him "wishy-washy" to say the very least. His wife also has cancer. :sad That has to play a huge role in his ability to make rational decisions. JMHO. :smile

[John81]

The "social gospel" is politically correct. Promoting the "social gospel" reather than the one true Gospel is very popular, doesn't tend to upset people, DOES tend to draw a lot of donations and make one be viewed as a great person.

Say we all banded together today and fed a million people for a year and a huge disaster struck and they all died almost instantly. What was gained? Nothing of eternal value.

Say we take the Gospel to these million people for a year and only a handful come to Christ before the disaster? What was gained? The souls of those handful for eternity!

[JerryNumbers]

:sad IMO' date=' Rick Warren has gotten his mind warped since writing "A Purpose Driven Life." Using all of those MV's has really made him "wishy-washy" to say the very least. His wife also has cancer. :sad That has to play a huge role in his ability to make rational decisions. JMHO. :smile[/quote']

Only change i would make in your post is I would say his mind was warped "BEFORE" he wrote Purpose Driven Life. He may know the way to Christ, but he knows nothing about abiding in Christ.

[Guest Guest]

(My opinion) There are too many biblical stories about men who did not abide to God's direction and he used them in great ways. I personally make it a point not to limit God. Maybe, getting them all in one place will bring people to know the Truth of Jesus Christ.

[bzmomo7]

(My opinion) There are too many biblical stories about men who did not abide to God's direction and he used them in great ways. I personally make it a point not to limit God. Maybe' date=' getting them all in one place will bring people to know the Truth of Jesus Christ[/color'].

But he says he has no desire for interfaith dialogue;

Based on Warren's own words of his intentions.....I doubt it.

[dwayner79]

Well, I try not to jump the gun on these things, and looking at it from my perspective, this has some redeeming characteristics.

I think the Matt 10 reference would be a reasonably good application of the principle, but "setting up ministry" without "preaching Christ" has some holes in it. I would have rather seen RW not try to over-spiritualize this.

That being said, the idea that people from various faiths can agree to work for social reform is commendable. The fact that RW is not willing to conceed the 'we're right and your not' stance of Christianity is also commendable, and if he can use his platform to request people from faiths that are arch-enemies to abandon fighting, and focus on human social development, then so be it. As a society, we do this every day. We work together as a society to effect social change. We do not require that everyone involved be saved. The idea here (As I see it) is that people should be free to believe as they want, but just because our faith differs does not remove our obligation to work for the betterment of humanity. That is an idea I agree with.

[JerryNumbers]

Well, I try not to jump the gun on these things, and looking at it from my perspective, this has some redeeming characteristics.

I think the Matt 10 reference would be a reasonably good application of the principle, but "setting up ministry" without "preaching Christ" has some holes in it. I would have rather seen RW not try to over-spiritualize this.

That being said, the idea that people from various faiths can agree to work for social reform is commendable. The fact that RW is not willing to conceed the 'we're right and your not' stance of Christianity is also commendable, and if he can use his platform to request people from faiths that are arch-enemies to abandon fighting, and focus on human social development, then so be it. As a society, we do this every day. We work together as a society to effect social change. We do not require that everyone involved be saved. The idea here (As I see it) is that people should be free to believe as they want, but just because our faith differs does not remove our obligation to work for the betterment of humanity. That is an idea I agree with.

Actually, what he will do, is lead even more people to be disobedient to God. In fact, those who stand for God's truths, he counts as the enemies of God.

I might add, to lead someone down the path of truth, you have to be walking in the path of truth yourself.

[dwayner79]

Actually, what he will do, is lead even more people to be disobedient to God. In fact, those who stand for God's truths, he counts as the enemies of God.

I might add, to lead someone down the path of truth, you have to be walking in the path of truth yourself.

None of that makes any sense to me. I am unclear how you went from my post to yours, but I would like to follow the logic. Can you please expand a bit. How is working toward social reform being disobedient to God? How does that relate to the next comment. I truly am confused.

[JerryNumbers]

Even if i explained you still probably would not understand.

God wants us to walk in all of His ways, not pick and chose, of which this man does.

The best way to lead to social reform is introduce people to Jesus. Anything less, it will fail.

[John81]

Even if i explained you still probably would not understand.

God wants us to walk in all of His ways, not pick and chose, of which this man does.

The best way to lead to social reform is introduce people to Jesus. Anything less, it will fail.

:thumb

[Will]

If you have RealPlayer, listen to the last part of this message. It deals quite aptly with this issue I think.

[dwayner79]

Even if i explained you still probably would not understand.

God wants us to walk in all of His ways, not pick and chose, of which this man does.

The best way to lead to social reform is introduce people to Jesus. Anything less, it will fail.

Nice Jerry... thanks :roll

I disagree that feeding the poor HAS to be tied to Christianity. Certainly as Christians we should help feed the poor, but to say that only Christians can do so is arrogant and short-sighted.

[Guest Guest]

give em a little food and it might be easier to get the Gospel to them

[speerjp1]

Feeding the hungry can be done easily and quite successfully without confusing unbelievers by linking arms with false religions such as Mormonism and Islam. :thumb

Is that not the issue of this thread: Apostasy through being unequally yoked together with unbelievers as a church?

II Corinthians 6 says:

14. Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15. And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16. And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

This passages is not teaching isolation. It is teaching wisdom in associations.

Others may feel free to feed whomever they please, but to do it in the name of Christ, when they do not know Christ themselves, is approaching blasphemy by attributing their good deeds to their relationship with God (which is non-existent). I cannot find anywhere in God's word where it is better for true Christians to join up with such folks in the endeavors of the great commission or social activism; quite the opposite. :roll