Why are Christians voting for Donald Trump?

[John81]

4 minutes ago, John Young said:

Truth be told it has mostly been people like Trump who have been the "power behind the curtain". The only reason he and people like him do anything is to bluster their business. In the past he has supported whomever was good for him. Presently that is himself as the contestant of the ultimate reality show and Trump advertising/propaganda campaign. If people were voting their Christian principles they would not be voting for Trump in the primaries. Don't vote for Trump as if he was already the nominee but vote for a righteous principled constitutionalist like Cruz instead. Afterwards, when the true nominee of the people is selected, (be it Cruz or Trump) then we can worry about "beating Hilary".

Trump has been a money connection but not a power behind the curtain. Those in real power keep to the shadows and have the Party elites doing their bidding. We see them attacking Trump because they fear he can't be bought and both sides fear he won't walk as president in a predetermined manner. To them, this threatens their overall agenda whether minimally or majorly.

After digging deeper into Cruz I don't find him to be righteous, principled or a constitutionalist. On the surface he looked very good, it wasn't until looking beyond the gloss I found things too disturbing to ignore or support.

Whoever is elected the country will continue to head in the wrong direction. Christ is the only answer and His own people won't even do what His Word commands in order to see America bettered.

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1 hour ago, John81 said:

Trump has been a money connection but not a power behind the curtain. Those in real power keep to the shadows and have the Party elites doing their bidding. We see them attacking Trump because they fear he can't be bought and both sides fear he won't walk as president in a predetermined manner. To them, this threatens their overall agenda whether minimally or majorly.

After digging deeper into Cruz I don't find him to be righteous, principled or a constitutionalist. On the surface he looked very good, it wasn't until looking beyond the gloss I found things too disturbing to ignore or support.

Whoever is elected the country will continue to head in the wrong direction. Christ is the only answer and His own people won't even do what His Word commands in order to see America bettered.

John,

I would like to know what those disturbing things are.

[Matthew24]

People realize that the establishment politicians are corrupt, bought and paid for. Our country has been taken over by elitist, using "terrorism" as a means to take away our freedoms. Their goal is a New World Order. I believe most don't particular like Trump that much, but it's a better option than the New World Order. Cruz at least speaks of liberty and the constitution, but most conclude he is one of them. We don't want to fight meaningless wars in places where the USA was the root cause of what caused the chaos in the first place. Eisenhower spoke about the dangers of the Military Industrial Complex. We have been at war since the 40's...yet we haven't constitutionally declared it since WW2. We are no longer a constitutional republic. The people of America no longer stand with the government. "When people fear government there is tyranny"

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I go by a man's track record. That's all we can do, and leave the rest up to God. If Cruz is "one of them", and that includes the baby-murdering, gay-marriage promoting, gun grabbing, environmentalist, freedom-destroying, God-hating, totalitarian Liberals, he has a strange way of showing it.

https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/135705/ted-cruz#.Vt8KSWbSl9C

[John81]

35 minutes ago, heartstrings said:

I go by a man's track record. That's all we can do, and leave the rest up to God. If Cruz is "one of them", and that includes the baby-murdering, gay-marriage promoting, gun grabbing, environmentalist, freedom-destroying, God-hating, totalitarian Liberals, he has a strange way of showing it.

https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/135705/ted-cruz#.Vt8KSWbSl9C

I think it was Pastor Jeffress which pointed out a video of Cruz in a closed door meeting with supporters telling them he considered the homosexual marriage matter settled by the Supreme Court and though he said he didn't agree with it he wouldn't pursue trying to change it. This is very similar to what John Kasich has said on the matter.

It was also pointed out on a program that Cruz's wife has belonged and still belongs to groups which have promoted the virtual elimination of borders between Canada, US, Mexico and others. She's also been involved in globalization efforts which many believe is part of the work to build a one world government.

Cruz's dad is a Dominionist preacher which Cruz said he agrees with. On that topic it was also noted Cruz gave virtually nothing to charity, including not giving to his home church. Cruz gave the excuse he needed all his money for other things.

If a person searches for information on Cruz it's available online. Myself, when I first started looking it took a bit more effort but I began by looking at the pro-Cruz sites (taking notes, copying links, etc.) then did the same with anti-Cruz sites, then followed up on the notes and links from both and followed whatever leads may have been in those as well. Then after separating the wheat from the chaff I looked at the key pros and cons which emerged.

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14 minutes ago, John81 said:

I think it was Pastor Jeffress which pointed out a video of Cruz in a closed door meeting I'd like to see that video.with supporters telling them he considered the homosexual marriage matter settled by the Supreme Court and though he said he didn't agree with it he wouldn't pursue trying to change it. This is very similar to what John Kasich has said on the matter.

It was also pointed out on a program that Cruz's wife has belonged and still belongs to groups which have promoted the virtual elimination of borders between Canada, US, Mexico  Yeah, sometimes I myself wonder if annexing Mexico might be a good idea....just a thought, mind you.....next and others. She's also been involved in globalization efforts which many believe is part of the work to build a one world government.

Cruz's dad is a Dominionist preacher which Cruz said he agrees with. would your rather have a Mormon, or a casino owning "Presbyterian" who has never done anything to need forgiveness instead ? On that topic it was also noted Cruz gave virtually nothing to charity, including not giving to his home church. Cruz gave the excuse he needed all his money for other things.  Do you have a source where I can look at this?

If a person searches for information on Cruz it's available online. Myself, when I first started looking it took a bit more effort but I began by looking at the pro-Cruz sites (taking notes, copying links, etc.) then did the same with anti-Cruz sites, What other agendas are these 'anti-Cruz" sites promoting? Do you trust them? then followed up on the notes and links from both and followed whatever leads may have been in those as well. Then after separating the wheat from the chaff I looked at the key pros and cons which emerged.

 

[John81]

The reason I look at both pro and anti-sites for candidates is they both contain some truth (no, I don't believe everything any of them say, hence the following up on what they put forth to see if true or not). Some is easy to tell, other points take following links or doing searches to either confirm or refute what they are saying. It's time consuming, but searching it all out, separating the wheat from the chaff and seeing what we have is worthwhile.

Thomas Jefferson is viewed as one of our best presidents yet he was a Christ denier.

Is there a Mormon running this year too?

Some Dominionist views are very dangerous. At the same time, so are some views of others.

On a side note: I had to drive to another State this morning and while there I didn't notice any political signs but did see several bumper stickers. The first I noticed was for Carson (they must be very wise, non-racist people), one for Cruz, a couple for Sanders and a goodly number of Rand Paul bumper stickers.

In another four years we'll be going through this drama again if the Lord hasn't intervened one way or another before then.

[wretched]

5 hours ago, John81 said:

While I agree with some of this, and perhaps the overall bigger premise, some of this sounds like the same hyperbole which has come from both sides for decades now. Liberals have claimed Reagan or Bush in the White House would be the end of Roe v Wade, bring about national Jim Crow laws, turn women barefoot and pregnant, cause all the arctic ice to melt, kill all the polar bears, flood the coasts, pollution would fill the skies and we'd be like 1970.

On the other side much of what you said above was said of Clinton and Obama, along with claims each would declare martial law, stay in office, confiscate all the guns, open the borders and turn America into a global nation (never mind Republicans have been behind efforts at globalization).

At some point some of these things will probably transpire. More likely, they will continue for some time as they have with the more gradual degradation of constitutional rights and freedoms.

I do agree, better Trump than Hillary. If Trump wins he best be very careful and recall what has happened to previous presidents who dared try and thwart the powers behind the curtain.

In the final analysis, regardless of who sits in the White House, God will still be in control and His will and plan shall be done.

That would become a part of national history perhaps worth the risk!

Historically I would agree with some of what you say John. However in the past you cited, there has been balance between the left and the right. Before and after Clinton, were the Bushs and their SCOTUS nominees.

This time is very different, the left has made sweeping changes over the last 8 years. Changes we couldn't imagine previously and sadly these changes we are somehow getting used to already. The flood of immigrants, the love affair and downplaying of muslims, the taxing, more anti gun laws passed than the previous 100 years, obamacare, the homo marriage and punishment to anyone who opposes it, including forced acceptance of the perverts in the girls rooms.

We must get back some balance this time more so than any other time in the last 100 years.

If the dems win it this time, their SCOTUS nod gets in and everything that Obama started WILL be completed during the next 3-4 years.

Obama did more damage in 8 years than Clinton could have dreamed of. Another 4 of it will put us under.

I recommend everyone stop what you are doing and back the one guy that can win or see all I am talking about happen permanently and nationwide.

BTW; I think you are seriously wrong thinking God cares about this or even cares to have a plan about it. America is nowhere in prophecy and of little consequence so just like throwing yourself in front of a speeding bus, thinking "let God's Will be done", we are going to do it again nationally.

BTW2: Individually walking with God in the Spirit is one thing but God's only Will for us is that we believe on His Son. Apart from that we are at the mercy of the draw down here in this sin cursed world.

think about it.

 

[swathdiver]

12 minutes ago, wretched said:

This time is very different, the left has made sweeping changes over the last 8 years. Changes we couldn't imagine previously and sadly these changes we are somehow getting used to already. The flood of immigrants, the love affair and downplaying of muslims, the taxing, more anti gun laws passed than the previous 100 years, obamacare, the homo marriage and punishment to anyone who opposes it, including forced acceptance of the perverts in the girls rooms.

So what's your favorite MRE?  Mine is Ham Slice followed by Escalloped Potatoes and Ham!  Still have some from the '80s and early '90s plus our regular "hurricane" stock that I keep on hand that are more recent.  The kids get a real kick out of them.  Six years ago we ate a 23 year old "Five Fingers of Death".  Remember that one?  Still tasted just as nasty as when I last had them in the '80s.  Those dark brown menus are still my favorites!

This nation was finally pushed over the cliff with the election of President Obama in 2008.  No President is going to put her back on solid ground, only slow or speed up her descent into the dustbin of history and moral depravity.  It would take a shootin' war to restart this nation based upon her original founding principals with statesman who fear the God of the Bible; again.

[HappyChristian]

1 hour ago, John81 said:

I think it was Pastor Jeffress which pointed out a video of Cruz in a closed door meeting with supporters telling them he considered the homosexual marriage matter settled by the Supreme Court and though he said he didn't agree with it he wouldn't pursue trying to change it. This is very similar to what John Kasich has said on the matter.

http://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-responds-to-politicos-secret-gay-marriage-audio-video/

It was also pointed out on a program that Cruz's wife has belonged and still belongs to groups which have promoted the virtual elimination of borders between Canada, US, Mexico and others. She's also been involved in globalization efforts which many believe is part of the work to build a one world government.

Cruz's dad is a Dominionist preacher which Cruz said he agrees with. On that topic it was also noted Cruz gave virtually nothing to charity, including not giving to his home church. Cruz gave the excuse he needed all his money for other things.

If a person searches for information on Cruz it's available online. Myself, when I first started looking it took a bit more effort but I began by looking at the pro-Cruz sites (taking notes, copying links, etc.) then did the same with anti-Cruz sites, then followed up on the notes and links from both and followed whatever leads may have been in those as well. Then after separating the wheat from the chaff I looked at the key pros and cons which emerged.

Here, John (and heart) is an article in which the video is embedded. I can't get it to play (although I have heard it before), but the transcript follows. There is another video at the bottom of the article in which Cruz answers what Politico claimed. When SCOTUS came out with their decision, he excoriated it. He is the only one who did, and he is nowhere near Kasich on the matter.

As to the program Heidi "belonged to"...She was a temporary member of a CFR group looking at forming the North American Union. Her membership was as a dissenter of the idea, and her writing that she submitted to the group proves that. She is strongly sovereign nation, as is Cruz. The falsehood that she plotted to bring about a North American Union was disseminated by Dewhurst, the progressive republican against which Cruz ran for Senate, as a means to try and undermine Cruz. It was proven false. And even Dewhurst has admitted that Cruz is all about the Constitution...which someone who promotes the NAU would not be.

As to the dominionist charge, do you know where it originated? With Salon, one of the most uber liberal, lying sites around. Do you know WHY they charged the people they did with dominionism? Because they are Christians. Under their definition, anyone who names the name of Christ is a dominionist. Under another liberal's definition, a dominionist is a Christian who believes that the Constitution should be followed. Guess what that means for most if not all of us oh OB?  Yep - we are dominionists.

When researching, one needs to ask oneself what is the motivation of the originator of information. In all of the instances I mentioned originated with people who do not want Ted Cruz to succeed. The sad thing is that too many people are falling for the lies.

Cruz is not interested in stoning gays (a dominionist would be). Nor is he interested in putting American under OT law (a dominionist would be). He is and always has been a strong advocate and believer in states' rights and the Constitution. I don't agree with everything he says and does (I'm not a Southern Baptist, like he is), but he is the best one running. And he would do what he says he will do - his record proves that.

 

Well, I added the link but it doesn't show.  Here it is - hope it shows this time.

http://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-responds-to-politicos-secret-gay-marriage-audio-video/

 

(and, BTW - it is a lie that Cruz said he needed all his money for other things.)

Read the book A Time for Truth. You'll learn some truths about Cruz that are all provable by public record. And, in the case of the "secret" video, even those.

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[wretched]

1 hour ago, swathdiver said:

So what's your favorite MRE?  Mine is Ham Slice followed by Escalloped Potatoes and Ham!  Still have some from the '80s and early '90s plus our regular "hurricane" stock that I keep on hand that are more recent.  The kids get a real kick out of them.  Six years ago we ate a 23 year old "Five Fingers of Death".  Remember that one?  Still tasted just as nasty as when I last had them in the '80s.  Those dark brown menus are still my favorites!

This nation was finally pushed over the cliff with the election of President Obama in 2008.  No President is going to put her back on solid ground, only slow or speed up her descent into the dustbin of history and moral depravity.  It would take a shootin' war to restart this nation based upon her original founding principals with statesman who fear the God of the Bible; again.

You are probably right. It very well may be a lost cause.

BTW, I liked the hotdogs and chicken a la king. The rest of them I just forced down, HA

I also keep two cases on hand for emergencies.

[John81]

4 hours ago, wretched said:

Historically I would agree with some of what you say John. However in the past you cited, there has been balance between the left and the right. Before and after Clinton, were the Bushs and their SCOTUS nominees.

This time is very different, the left has made sweeping changes over the last 8 years. Changes we couldn't imagine previously and sadly these changes we are somehow getting used to already. The flood of immigrants, the love affair and downplaying of muslims, the taxing, more anti gun laws passed than the previous 100 years, obamacare, the homo marriage and punishment to anyone who opposes it, including forced acceptance of the perverts in the girls rooms.

We must get back some balance this time more so than any other time in the last 100 years.

If the dems win it this time, their SCOTUS nod gets in and everything that Obama started WILL be completed during the next 3-4 years.

Obama did more damage in 8 years than Clinton could have dreamed of. Another 4 of it will put us under.

I recommend everyone stop what you are doing and back the one guy that can win or see all I am talking about happen permanently and nationwide.

BTW; I think you are seriously wrong thinking God cares about this or even cares to have a plan about it. America is nowhere in prophecy and of little consequence so just like throwing yourself in front of a speeding bus, thinking "let God's Will be done", we are going to do it again nationally.

BTW2: Individually walking with God in the Spirit is one thing but God's only Will for us is that we believe on His Son. Apart from that we are at the mercy of the draw down here in this sin cursed world.

think about it.

 

I believe God is actively involved in all nations now just as He was in the past.

Short of national revival and/or another great awakening, who sits in the oval office matters little now.

[John81]

I see they have called Mississippi and Michigan for Trump.

It's not over yet. I also see Kenneth Copeland and Charisma magazine are going all out for Cruz.

Fox News is trying to spin the night a win for Kasich! It seems they are giving up on Rubio, who they jumped to after their choice, Bush, dropped from the race.

[HappyChristian]

Yeah. It's a sad day when Kenneth Copeland has more discernment than Jerry Falwell.  

The thing about the primary season is that state wins are great. But it's the delegate numbers that count. As for kasich having a winning night - he is currently second in Michigan, and so has been given the second most delegates. That is a win for him. I do think maybe they are gonna start pushing him. They appear not to be pushing Trump, but with all the free media time they (not just Fox) give him, appearances seem to indicate they actually are promoting him.