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Why are Christians voting for Donald Trump?

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10 hours ago, John Young said:

Second would be Kasich mainly because he knows how to run a state

 

9 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

John Kasich told seniors that Congress stole their Social Security money (which is true) and "to get over it". Lovely

I agree with "HappyChrisitan" on this. I hate to come right out and disagree with someone, but brother "John Young" I have to say I disagree with you on Kasich competely.   I live in Ohio (Kasich's state) and no, I would NOT say that he knows how to "run a state", unless it's to run it right into the ground. He is by far one of the most liberal republicans there is on many issues. My opinion is that he leans so far to the left he's fallen over in the mud.  I was SO relieved to see Kasich falling so far behind, but now I am concerned that someone will select him as vice pres. running mate. That's going to be a hard pill to swallow if he ends up (with whichever) of the candidates who makes it as nominee selected to run for presidency as VP... I hope that does not happen. Had to add my 2 cents :twocents: (nothing personal against you, brother John Young).

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Kasich forced my elderly mother onto the Obamacare rolls. She is a retired State of Ohio employee and part of the Ohio Public Employee Retirement System (OPERS). She had excellent health insurance through the state with Humana. Now she has a federal government insurance plan through the "exchanges." This was a further plan for Kasich to show a "huge savings" on future liabilities and deeply entrench Obamacare into Ohio retired employee's DNA.

If you listen closely to John Kasich, you can pick out the very liberal-progressive ideology. Another Rob Portman in the making. 

Unfunded liabilities tells a fiscal fiasco awaiting Ohio... http://www.usrbs.com/unfunded.html (This also provides every states unfunded public liabilities). For those who may not understand what liabilities are. Liabilities are real expense now and in the future. I am another Ohioan.

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15 hours ago, Critical Mass said:

 Cruz is a dishonest man. Even Carson has recognized this. Cruz has also asked the party delegates to put aside the vote of the people and nominate him. Who cares what the voters say.

No, Cruz is not dishonest. What is dishonest is spreading the lies of what happened in IA. It all emanated from the Carson campaign via CNN. You don't have to believe that, but it happens to be true. As to asking party delegates to put aside for whom they voted, it's 1 of 2 things: either he was speaking to delegates of those who dropped out or he didn't say that. I'm going with the latter.

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On 3/2/2016 at 8:43 AM, John81 said:

Some Christians can't in good conscience vote for a woman for president (which is moot at this point for Republicans since Fiorina dropped out)

I personally would never vote for Hilary, but my point is... WHY  is it that: "some Christians can't in good conscience vote for a woman president?" The presidential position is NOT a church leadership position. So what is your reasoning for this??? Sounds a bit more than chauvinisistic to me.

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35 minutes ago, Ronda said:

I personally would never vote for Hilary, but my point is... WHY  is it that: "some Christians can't in good conscience vote for a woman president?" The presidential position is NOT a church leadership position. So what is your reasoning for this??? Sounds a bit more than chauvinisistic to me.

If only Margaret Thatcher were alive and wanted the job! 

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1 hour ago, wretched said:

If only Margaret Thatcher were alive and wanted the job! 

LOL - it would be nice if we had some Margaret Thatchers in this country. I think maybe there are women who would possibly come close (although I would wish them to be even stronger), but at this point, none that come to mind.

Ronda, God tells us about Deborah, the only female judge. I think there are a couple of reasons God put her in there for us to know about. First, to let us know that sometimes God will use a woman in governing authority and that it's not a sin. Second, though, is the fact that she was the only woman while there were many male judges. I think that's important, too, to realize that it would be the exception rather than the rule.

I don't believe that it would be a mortal sin for us to have a woman POTUS. Nor do I believe that it would be wrong to vote for a woman (and when I say "I", that includes my hubby...if he were in disagreement, I wouldn't even answer this) - as long as that woman is a constitutionalist.

However...I believe that it is a very unwise concept to consider a woman POTUS. Why? Because of the way God made women. Women are nurturers by nature. POTUS cannot nurture, nor can POTUS make decisions based on nurturing tendencies (which most women would do, even if unintentionally). Women are emotional by nature. POTUS cannto be emotional, nor make decisions based on emotions. Now, a true constitutionalist would endeavor to stick by the Constitution in decision making. But I guarantee emotions would win the day too often with a woman - again, even if unintentionally.

When McCain picked Palin as a running mate, we were not happy about it (well, to be honest, we weren't happy about him, either). But we voted - more as a protest vote against BO than a vote for McCain. Given time to really see what Palin is, though, we can see just how much of a mistake it would be for her to be anywhere near the White House. 

Most of the women who seek high office do it for the lust for the power it gives them. They put away their femininity, sacrifice their families if need be, and become hard and man-like in far too many ways. It coarsens our country at the same time it feminizes it because the converse is happening: men are getting in touch with their "feminine side".

Man-like women; feminized men. Not a good thing anywhere, but especially in the leadership of this country. When a woman gets the authority that naturally comes with being an elected servant (especially nowadays since folks don't understand that the elected are not our lords), it leeches into everyday life and will adversely affect her family. That right there is enough for me to say it's best not to have a woman POTUS.

John - that's funny right there! I honestly couldn't care less about Ditka's opinions on anything. B)

 

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Da Bears country will be all in for Trump now!

More seriously: Are there many candidate signs in your area for the primaries? Thus far I've only seen two signs for a candidate this primary season, which is unusual. One in one small town, the other in another small town. The bigger towns and small cities I couldn't find a single one. Usually there are many signs supporting the various primary candidates but not this year for some reason.

Both signs I did see were Cruz signs, each one different from the other.

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Sister Luanne, I do agree with many of the things you said. Such as #1 Deborah was a fine example of how the Lord used a woman in a governing authority role. #2 It is obviously an exception rather than a rule (at least for Israel) #3 It certainly would not be a moral sin to elect a woman #4 Women (at least should be) nurturing. #5 If a woman had a husband and children (still at home) I would also agree that her priority should be there, unless her children be grown and her husband supports her in the decision, in which case I (myself) see no problem with it, and of course if she in single and has no children, I see no reason at all that she shouldn't run for office (governmental) #6 Sarah Palin is a mess and in my opinion was/is the biggest embarrassment/disgrace to women in general, and especially to the Republican party. 

All that said, I have to disagree that women are all emotional by nature. The reason I say this is because I do see Biblical evidence of the nurturing roles of women in the Bible, as well as the nurturing admonitions in scripture. But I do not see where (Biblically) evidence of woman's emotional nature more than man's. Yes... one could argue many point on this such as "Eve was driven by emotion to eat of the fruit", but remember that Adam was also compelled of Eve to partake as well... would that also not be emotional (if it were in fact emotional).  While I do personally know many women who you would consider "emotional", I also know just as many who are logic driven. One can be nurturing and not emotionally driven, I don't (personally) think the 2 characteristics necessarily have to go hand in hand (this is just my opinion, hoping no offense is taken in regard to your own opinion... as we both have opinions).  

I do agree that many women who run for office are in it for the power, as well as the prestige and the money (especially the money from "campaign contributions" which are nothing short of bribes), but I do not feel it is any different for the men in this area. They have the same driving factors.   I also have to disagree with the reason some men in society are "getting in touch with their feminine side" . I believe that reason is because God has given them over to a reprobate mind, and I do not believe that is a woman's fault... any more than I would believe that the rape of a woman is the woman's fault (as some cultures, such as islam) purport. This blaming the woman for the man's actions is not justifiable to me in any way. Each individual is accountable to God for his or her own self, and no one can "make" another's decisions for them, nor can any person be held accountable for the decisions/actions of another, be it a man OR a woman. 

So while I currently do not see ANY women on the presidential campaign field worthy to be considered for office, I also do not see many men worthy for the position either. And again, no ill will intended in difference of opinion. 

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4 hours ago, John81 said:

Are there many candidate signs in your area for the primaries?

Trump rules the sign contest where I live. Other than his multitude of signs, I've seen only one other sign...for Cruz.

Hence my previous post that Christians will vote for Trump to please their flesh. Not only do the signs attest to this, but the myriad of Facebook posts that I saw (before I recently deleted my account) coming from Christians were for Trump...and their reasoning was fleshly and worldly. So, regardless of Critcal Mass/ASongOfDegrees/Wilchbla's protest toward me, I was speaking what I know to be truth...and I don't believe that Christians voting for Trump to please their flesh in confined only to my area. 

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On 3/6/2016 at 5:09 AM, Ronda said:

 

I agree with "HappyChrisitan" on this. I hate to come right out and disagree with someone, but brother "John Young" I have to say I disagree with you on Kasich competely.   I live in Ohio (Kasich's state) and no, I would NOT say that he knows how to "run a state", unless it's to run it right into the ground. He is by far one of the most liberal republicans there is on many issues. My opinion is that he leans so far to the left he's fallen over in the mud.  I was SO relieved to see Kasich falling so far behind, but now I am concerned that someone will select him as vice pres. running mate. That's going to be a hard pill to swallow if he ends up (with whichever) of the candidates who makes it as nominee selected to run for presidency as VP... I hope that does not happen. Had to add my 2 cents :twocents: (nothing personal against you, brother John Young).

Not a problem Ronda. I agree with you. Kasich is not the best option but in comparison with the candidates that is just my personal ranking if I had to vote for some one other then Cruz. I personally liked Huckabee but now that he is out I'll settle for Cruz.

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1 hour ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Trump rules the sign contest where I live. Other than his multitude of signs, I've seen only one other sign...for Cruz.

Hence my previous post that Christians will vote for Trump to please their flesh. Not only do the signs attest to this, but the myriad of Facebook posts that I saw (before I recently deleted my account) coming from Christians were for Trump...and their reasoning was fleshly and worldly. So, regardless of Critcal Mass/ASongOfDegrees/Wilchbla's protest toward me, I was speaking what I know to be truth...and I don't believe that Christians voting for Trump to please their flesh in confined only to my area. 

Most postings I've seen on Facebook and Twitter, by Christians and others, are for Trump. A few here and there for Cruz. Earlier on there were some for Paul and Bush but not that many, about the same as for Cruz now.

It seems odd to me there are not signs all over like usual (around here). I even drove past homes I know that are those of Christians and Republicans, those who typically have a yard full of signs, but not a single sign.

Most of those who bother to try and post a reason for their support of Trump on the social media sites I've read they do indeed intend to vote based upon emotion, with a few saying they are voting Trump because he's not a politician.

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2 hours ago, heartstrings said:

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Folks are realizing he is the only shot to stop the "completed" destruction of this country. That and only that is why they support him mainly by not opposing.

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1 hour ago, John81 said:

Most postings I've seen on Facebook and Twitter, by Christians and others, are for Trump. A few here and there for Cruz. Earlier on there were some for Paul and Bush but not that many, about the same as for Cruz now.

It seems odd to me there are not signs all over like usual (around here). I even drove past homes I know that are those of Christians and Republicans, those who typically have a yard full of signs, but not a single sign.

Most of those who bother to try and post a reason for their support of Trump on the social media sites I've read they do indeed intend to vote based upon emotion, with a few saying they are voting

Not here. Most of my Facebook friends I've noticed, who have real Christian standards, are for Ted Cruz. On the other hand some of my Facebook friends, my own uncle for one, will post foul cursewords in one post, things about Christianity in the next, then things supporting Trump. In the words of one visiting evangelist at my church Trump "wouldn't know God if he met him in the middle of the road" and i'm thinking many of his supporters are likewise. IMO the reason people are putting their trust in Trump is MONEY. They think this billionaire can put more money in their pockets by fixing the economy. But the economy isn't America's  or government's #1 priority.

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I just saw on both Facebook and Twitter that some are claiming American Christians have shown themselves to be lacking in discernment, not as Christian as they claim, and according to some they are also racist for not giving their support to Ben Carson.

Never mind Carson's "Christianity" is of the Seventh Day Adventist sort...or any other actual facts out there.

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Real christian standards huh? For a politician?

This level of naivety is what has lost the last two elections to the reprobates (un-changeably removed from God). Everybody wants to joke about hillary with no thought to what hillary means, or sanders.

Keep up this naivety and kiss your last freedoms goodbye and have your daughters go potty with grow men perverts disguised as women watching them. And you: mom or dad will be jailed for complaining about it.

Turn your legally owned guns into nationwide confiscation. Open your front doors to muslim raptists. Get your last dime stolen from you by the dems to provide free everything to the flood of illegals (mexican and muslim)

I can go on and on but hey you folks gotta keep this delusion that there is a real born again politician running for president.

If trump doesn't get the nod your way of life is completely over within 3 years.

And don't think for a second it will usher in the rapture. I doubt if America is more than a footnote in God's History.

Think about it

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Disagree, Wretched. I believe if "everything's negotiable" Trump gets the nod we'll be in trouble. His history shows that he is not to be trusted. And his flip-flopping is like a fish out of water. Because he believes that everything is negotiable.

Ronda, I don't disagree with the bulk of what you said, but I stand by what I said about women being emotional creatures. One word proves it: hormones. :D

John - Chicago would go to Trump, anyway. There are some constitutional Republicans there, but by and large they are progressive. Ditka notwithstanding. As for signs: I've seen two. One for Trump and one for Bernie. Around here, there are never very many signs.

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10 hours ago, wretched said:

Real christian standards huh? For a politician?

This level of naivety is what has lost the last two elections to the reprobates (un-changeably removed from God). Everybody wants to joke about hillary with no thought to what hillary means, or sanders.

Keep up this naivety and kiss your last freedoms goodbye and have your daughters go potty with grow men perverts disguised as women watching them. And you: mom or dad will be jailed for complaining about it.

Turn your legally owned guns into nationwide confiscation. Open your front doors to muslim raptists. Get your last dime stolen from you by the dems to provide free everything to the flood of illegals (mexican and muslim)

I can go on and on but hey you folks gotta keep this delusion that there is a real born again politician running for president.

If trump doesn't get the nod your way of life is completely over within 3 years.

And don't think for a second it will usher in the rapture. I doubt if America is more than a footnote in God's History.

Think about it

.

 

While I agree with some of this, and perhaps the overall bigger premise, some of this sounds like the same hyperbole which has come from both sides for decades now. Liberals have claimed Reagan or Bush in the White House would be the end of Roe v Wade, bring about national Jim Crow laws, turn women barefoot and pregnant, cause all the arctic ice to melt, kill all the polar bears, flood the coasts, pollution would fill the skies and we'd be like 1970.

On the other side much of what you said above was said of Clinton and Obama, along with claims each would declare martial law, stay in office, confiscate all the guns, open the borders and turn America into a global nation (never mind Republicans have been behind efforts at globalization).

At some point some of these things will probably transpire. More likely, they will continue for some time as they have with the more gradual degradation of constitutional rights and freedoms.

I do agree, better Trump than Hillary. If Trump wins he best be very careful and recall what has happened to previous presidents who dared try and thwart the powers behind the curtain.

In the final analysis, regardless of who sits in the White House, God will still be in control and His will and plan shall be done.

8 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

I don't know...it might be worth Trump winning just to hear him say...

Obama...you're fired! 

:nuts:

That would become a part of national history perhaps worth the risk!

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24 minutes ago, John81 said:

If Trump wins he best be very careful and recall what has happened to previous presidents who dared try and thwart the powers behind the curtain.

In the final analysis, regardless of who sits in the White House, God will still be in control and His will and plan shall be done.

Truth be told it has mostly been people like Trump who have been the "power behind the curtain". The only reason he and people like him do anything is to bluster their business. In the past he has supported whomever was good for him. Presently that is himself as the contestant of the ultimate reality show and Trump advertising/propaganda campaign. If people were voting their Christian principles they would not be voting for Trump in the primaries. Don't vote for Trump as if he was already the nominee but vote for a righteous principled constitutionalist like Cruz instead. Afterwards, when the true nominee of the people is selected, (be it Cruz or Trump) then we can worry about "beating Hilary".

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