Why are Christians voting for Donald Trump?

[John81]

Of all the candidates it was only the Cruz campaign calling here on Sundays. Not a single phone call from any of the other candidates on a Sunday.

[Invicta]

21 minutes ago, John81 said:

Of all the candidates it was only the Cruz campaign calling here on Sundays. Not a single phone call from any of the other candidates on a Sunday.

They call you for elections?  They would not get a welcome from me.  I would consider them the same as all those I get from Bombay.  At least two a day.  One at breakfast time and one at lunch time. Then I get the recorded calls.  Then those saying your Windows computer has reported a fault.  I say "Which Windows computer?"   "Your Windows computer."  "I have several Windows computers, which one." "Your windows computer."  "If you had a report from my computer you would know which one." "Your Windows computer"  and so on. Election calls would get a similar response.

[HappyChristian]

LOL. Wow. Such chutzpah! Hang Cruz from the nearest tree. Really, John? How about addressing Trump's immorality? His serial polygamy? His greed? His manipulation of law to enrich himself? His lying? His absolute misogyny? His disrespect for the Constitution? His pretend Christianity? And the list could go on. But let's hang Cruz because a volunteer called your house on a Sunday.

I don't know if you've ever done any volunteer phone calling or not. I have. And here's how it works: during the week, there is an office open for volunteers to come and use one of the phones set up for calling. Call centers are usually open Monday-Friday. However, there are some volunteers who bring call lists home to call in their convenience. I have done both - called from a call center, and brought names home to call when I could. 

I never called on a Sunday, but there's a good possibility that whomever called you (were there multiple calls or just one, John? Because it's rare to almost nonextistent for campaigns to call folks WHO ANSWER more than once as it is obnoxious to the person called and is a waste of time for the campaign) had a list and was calling on their own time.

Regardless, I think that's a pretty small offense. Unless one never buys gas on Sundays, or goes to the grocery store, or to a restaurant, or watches tv, or does laundry, or cooks food, or even doesn't make calls from their own phones...

Why not discuss Cruz' actual record vs the record of any or all of the other candidates? Discussion of substance is really lacking during this electoral period. 

Invicta, yes. Campaigns do call folks. Usually they get numbers of people who voted for that particular party. So someone who voted for Democrats the last time they voted would get called by a Dem candidate's campaign, etc. Most campaign volunteers are taught to speak politely and if the person called says they aren't interested or don't want to answer, they are to thank them, hang up, and mark them do not call back. The nice thing about getting a phone call is that you can simply hang up if you don't want to talk to the caller vs getting a knock on the door by a campaign volunteer. They are harder to get rid of. 

[John81]

15 minutes ago, Invicta said:

They call you for elections?  They would not get a welcome from me.  I would consider them the same as all those I get from Bombay.  At least two a day.  One at breakfast time and one at lunch time. Then I get the recorded calls.  Then those saying your Windows computer has reported a fault.  I say "Which Windows computer?"   "Your Windows computer."  "I have several Windows computers, which one." "Your windows computer."  "If you had a report from my computer you would know which one." "Your Windows computer"  and so on. Election calls would get a similar response.

Yes, they call, send junk mail, have people leave stuff on the door handle, knock on your door, etc. Some go to great lengths with these things, some not so much. Usually the most desperate ones push these things.

Round one (primary season) should be over soon, then it will be massive political ads, each Parties convention clogging TV stations and news cycles and the build-up to the actual general election in November...which will be followed by talking heads carrying on about how we should view the election results.

[Invicta]

1 minute ago, John81 said:

Yes, they call, send junk mail, have people leave stuff on the door handle, knock on your door, etc. Some go to great lengths with these things, some not so much. Usually the most desperate ones push these things.

Round one (primary season) should be over soon, then it will be massive political ads, each Parties convention clogging TV stations and news cycles and the build-up to the actual general election in November...which will be followed by talking heads carrying on about how we should view the election results.

We have the junk mail.  Canvassing calls.  But political ads are not allowed on radio or TV,  There is a limit to what a candidate may spend on an election campaign.  On TV we do have party political broadcasts which are usually 5 minutes.  These are given on the size of the party's vote in the precious election.  A small party might get one five minute slot.  I don't believe they have to pay for these.

[John81]

Brownshirts & Republican Wimps

By Patrick J. Buchanan

Tuesday - March 15, 2016

Friday evening's Donald Trump rally in Chicago was broken up by a foul-mouthed mob that infiltrated the hall and forced the cancelation of the event to prevent violence and bloodshed.
    
Brownshirt tactics worked. The mob, triumphant, rejoiced.
    
And the reaction of Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and John Kasich?
    
All three Republican rivals blamed -- Donald Trump.
    
With his "dangerous style of leadership," Trump stokes this anger, mewed Rubio, "This is what happens when a leading presidential candidate goes around feeding into a narrative of bitterness and anger and frustration."
    
Rubio implies that if Trump doesn't tone down his remarks to pacify the rabble, he will be responsible for the violence visited upon him.
    
Kasich echoed Rubio: "Donald Trump has created a toxic environment (that) has allowed his supporters and those who sometimes seek confrontation to come together in violence."
    
But were the thousands of Trump supporters who came out to cheer him that night really looking for a fight? Or were they exercising their right of peaceful assembly?
    
Cruz charged Trump with "creating an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discord," thus offering absolution to the mob.
    
Friday night cried out for moral clarity. What we got from Trump's rivals was moral mush that called to mind JFK's favorite quote from Dante: The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of moral crisis maintain their neutrality.
    
As news outlets have reported, Friday's disruption at the University of Illinois-Chicago auditorium was a preplanned assault.
    
Behind it were the George Soros-funded MoveOn.org, Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, Hispanics hoisting Mexican flags and cop-haters carrying filthy signs to show their contempt for police.
    
People for Bernie, a pro-Sanders outfit, tweeted, "[This] wasn't just luck. It took organizers from dozens of organizations and thousands of people to pull off. Great work."
    
Now, Sanders did not order this assault on the civil rights of Trump supporters. But MoveOn.org has endorsed him and "Bernie" signs and T-shirts were everywhere among the disrupters. Hence, he has a duty to disavow this conduct and those who engaged in it.
    
If Sanders refuses, he condones it, and is morally complicit.
    
Can one imagine how the media would pile on Trump if working-class white males in Trump T-shirts invaded a Hillary Clinton rally and shut it down?
    
Can one imagine how the networks and cable TV channels that host town halls with the candidates would react if hell-raisers snuck into their audiences and shouted obscenities during discussions?
    
The keening over the First Amendment would not cease for weeks.
    
Some of us have been here before, and know how this ends.
    
When the urban riots broke out in the '60s, Hubert Humphrey declared that, if he lived in a ghetto, "I could lead a pretty good riot myself."
    
At his 1968 convention in Chicago, radicals baited and provoked the cops in the front of the Conrad Hilton, and as this writer watched, their patience exhausted after days of abuse, Chicago's finest tore into the mob and delivered some street justice.
    
"Richard Nixon," wrote Hunter S. Thompson, "is living in the White House today because of what happened that night in Chicago."
    
Hunter got that one right.
    
That fall, Humphrey was daily assailed by the kinds of haters now disrupting Trump rallies. Everywhere he went, they chanted, "Dump the Hump!" At times, Humphrey came close to tears.
    
That fall, Humphrey realized the monster he helped nurture.
    
My tormentors, he said, are "not just hecklers, but highly disciplined, well-organized agitators ... some of them are anarchists, and some of these groups are destroying the Democratic Party and destroying this country."
    
In 1970, when President Nixon sent U.S. troops into Cambodia to clean out Viet Cong sanctuaries, and students rioted, Ronald Reagan called them "cowardly fascists," and declared, "If there's going to be a bloodbath, let it begin here."
    
Not much Cruz-Rubio-Kasich equivocating there.
    
When radicals stomped down Wall Street desecrating Old Glory, construction workers came down from the building sites they were working and whaled on them.
    
Union president Peter J. Brennan was soon in the Oval Office -- and in Nixon's Cabinet. "Secretary Bunker," we called him.
    
Prediction. Given their "victory" in Chicago, MoveOn.org and its allied nasties will try to replicate it, again and again. And as Americans came to despise the '60s radicals, they will come to despise them.

And, as in the 1960s, the country will take a turn -- to the right.
    
America has changed from the land we grew up in. But she is not yet ready to allow ugly mobs screaming obscenities at Trump and his folks inside and outside that hall in Chicago, or their paragons like socialist senator Bernie Sanders, to take over the country.
    
Those raising hell in the street in Chicago and that convention hall are unfit to be citizens of this democratic republic.
    
For as Edmund Burke reminded us, "Men of intemperate minds can never be free. Their passions forge their fetters."

[John81]

On 3/12/2016 at 6:33 PM, John81 said:

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"I have just been called an idiot for viewing and possibly agreeing with this video. I've been told I am naive because Trump is a racist. I am not endorsing any candidates, just seeking to enlighten people. 

There is a lot of stirring up fear these days. Evoking George Wallace and KKK to make people fearful without noting that Governor Wallace and many KKK members repented and turned to Christ. Did they all? No. Yet many did. Also, my Uncle MLK was called a hate monger and rabble rouser. Even the most perfect lamb that ever lived and died for us and rose again, the Lord Jesus Christ, was called a rabble rouser by His opposition. When the pot is stirred, tempers boil."

Alveda King

[John81]

Huckabee: Trump leading 'peaceful overthrow' of government

Calls campaign 'revolution' against 'ruling class'

Published: 1 day ago
 

In an interview with Newsmax TV, Huckabee said "Here is a guy who has said some very inflammatory, very intemperate things and rather than it hurt him, it has actually propelled him because that's how people feel," Huckabee said. "People are angry. I think we're seeing nothing less than the overthrow of our government. ... It's a peaceful overthrow so far. We're going to do it by ballots, not bullets, thank God, but this is a revolution. The people are that upset with the ruling class and frankly, they ought to be."

 

Huckabee said it's about time there was a real challenge to the powers-that-be in Washington, D.C.

"Nothing would be better for this country than to have an utter disruption of the ruling class in Washington," he said.

He also likened Trump to Teddy Roosevelt, saying the billionaire businessman is acting as if he's "charging up San Juan Hill and there is no retreat," Newsmax reported.

"Win or lose," Huckabee said, "he's going to dig in and he's not going to ever pull the troops back."

Huckabee went on, saying Trump, if elected, would be the opposite of President Obama on the world stage.

"There's a lot of Americans who are so glad that if Donald Trump is president, he's not going to give an apology tour to the rest of the world," Huckabee said. "He's not going to go around and say, 'We're so sorry, we didn't mean to offend you, oh my gosh, let's have a beer summit, let me sit down and weep and cry.' No, he's going to say what he said. America needs to win again and that is why he is rising."

And to those who don't like Trump's aggressive style?

"If you don't like Donald Trump," Huckabee said, "don't vote for him. If you don't like Donald Trump, don't go hear him in his speech, but don't keep other people from hearing."

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/huckabee-trump-leading-peaceful-overthrow-of-government/#x8PtgvxmZsEM5SBl.99

[John81]

"This party is no longer my party." Gayla Baer-Taylor, a lifelong Democrat, on why she is voting for Donald Trump.

On Fox & Friends

[swathdiver]

15 hours ago, Invicta said:

I see it very much like Hitler who started by thumping the communist opposition who then thumped back then they both had private armies fighting each other.  If one side thumps the other, it encourages the other to respond in a similar fashion.  You seem to support lynch law. You need to come oot of the wild west.

I do not supporting lynching but I do support a renewed United States.  Like in the Old Testament when the new king would return to the old landmarks and turn to God from sin and idolatry???  Did not the king purge out the old leaven???  Look at your country, we have lost freedoms that you people have only ever dreamed about, you have lost freedoms that you never knew the joy of taking advantage of them.  Your country has been socialist and communistic for nigh one hundred years now and is again committing national suicide by importing Muhammadens by the millions even when their intentions to destroy you and your people is no secret.

After the Lord saved me from my sins, I did not feel like an American citizen so much anymore.  My home is in heaven with the Lord and I'm just a sojourner through this broken and depraved land.  But having said that, let me leave you with this quote from one of America's founding fathers and earliest Presidents:

"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.  Unsuccesful rebellions indeed generally establish the incroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is a medecine necessary for the sound health of government." - Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Paris, January 30, 1787

[John81]

"For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft..." 1 Samuel 15:23

Wife of presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, Jane Sanders, says, "Trump rallies have anger, ours have hope." CNN

Apparently she didn't watch the videos of Sanders supporters angrily attacking Trump supporters at Trump rally. She also didn't point out the "hope" Sanders supporters have is the hope of getting "free" things handed to them from a Sanders run socialist government.

[Invicta]

4 hours ago, swathdiver said:

I do not supporting lynching but I do support a renewed United States.  Like in the Old Testament when the new king would return to the old landmarks and turn to God from sin and idolatry???  Did not the king purge out the old leaven???  Look at your country, we have lost freedoms that you people have only ever dreamed about, you have lost freedoms that you never knew the joy of taking advantage of them.  Your country has been socialist and communistic for nigh one hundred years now and is again committing national suicide by importing Muhammadens by the millions even when their intentions to destroy you and your people is no secret.

Don't be ridiculous  What freedom have you had which we have not?  None.  US politics at present have more of the wild west than civilized society.

[John81]

15 minutes ago, Invicta said:

Don't be ridiculous  What freedom have you had which we have not?  None.  US politics at present have more of the wild west than civilized society.

The wild west wasn't so much as what it's made to appear today, but considering most of that was in the open it's much different than our politics. Our politics is more of a backroom, behind the scenes manipulation sort of mess than an open wild west dealing.

[HappyChristian]

Wow. Just wow. Nothing like being ignored after having directly addressed someone. 

A vote for Trump is a vote for a lying, whoremongering, corrupt rabblerouser. Be warned. Take it lightly, laugh it off, mock, whatever. You'll see, if low info and/or gullible voters succeed in nominating him.

[John81]

Imagine folks running for president and telling lies.

A few from Cruz:

Ted Cruz

Obamacare "is the biggest job-killer in this country -- millions of Americans have lost their jobs, have been forced into part-time work."  

— PolitiFact National

Ted Cruz

"Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have the identical position on health care, which is they want to put the government in charge of you and your doctor."

— PolitiFact National

Ted Cruz

"A couple of debates ago, (Donald Trump) said if you don’t support socialized health care, you’re heartless."  

— PolitiFact National

Ted Cruz

"Blue Cross Blue Shield cancelled all their individual (health care) policies in the state of Texas, effective Dec. 31."

— PolitiFact Texas

Even Marco Rubio has gone after Cruz for lying:

Washington (CNN)Marco Rubio says Ted Cruz is a liar -- accusing the Texas senator of false attacks over same-sex marriage, Planned Parenthood, immigration, campaign tactics and more.

"There's no other way to describe that -- it's a lie. When you say something that's not true, it's called a lie. That's the definition of it," Rubio said Sunday in an interview with CNN's Dana Bash on "State of the Union."

"On this campaign, he is saying things that are not true, and he's saying it repeatedly, and he knows they're not true," Rubio said.

So Cruz lies, Trump lies, Rubio lies, Kasich lies, Bush lies, Hillary lies. It's already a given that whoever is the president will be a known liar. Anyone who wishes can come up with a list of other sins they are guilty of as well.

Unless we are born again in Christ and choose to walk in the Spirit rather than in the flesh, we will be overly sinful in our lives, even if we are running for political office, regardless of our name.

Maybe we should all vote for Gary Johnson since he had one of the lower lie ratings.