Why are Christians voting for Donald Trump?

[HappyChristian]

And all of what he said is verifiable. Even if politifact says otherwise. And honest Rubio who lost his home state (precisely because he lied to them to get elected). All you can do is smear Cruz and build up Trump. That tells me a lot. And still haven't addressed my direct address...

Unless we are born again...yeah. Give credence to the whoremonger, the Catholic (well, both of them - Buchanan and Rubio), the faux conservative and lying liberal sites. But don't dare look deeply enough to see that the actual born again Christian might just be being maligned. Oy vey.

[John81]

Anyone who thinks I'm supporting Trump is jumping off the rails. This is a thread regarding why Christians are voting for Trump. If it were a thread regarding why some are voting for Kasich, for example, that's what I would address.

Cruz is no paragon of virtue any more than are the other candidates. Trump is no more the answer to America's problems than is Cruz (or Rubio, Kasich, Hillary or Bernie). Whichever one wins the country will continue in the wrong direction.

I've no problem with whoever anyone here voted or votes for. My Christian friends and associates are a mix of support for Cruz, Rubio and Trump. I even know some Christians voting for Hillary, though they are not in my church or circle of friends.

As usual, the Christian vote is split.

After tonight it seems to be a two-man race between Trump and Cruz; even though Kasich is trying to make his win in Ohio sound like he is now the top contender. It also seems like Hillary has pretty much sewn up the Democrat ticket.

Barring something unexpected, or political shenanigans, it seems likely to be a Trump v Hillary or Cruz v Hillary contest.

Now might be a good time for those in states left to vote to really begin asking who they think Trump or Cruz would choose as their VP.

I've heard and read many Christians saying they think Trump can put together the best team to govern (speaking of VP, cabinet positions, etc.). However, that's just speculation on their part. History seems to indicate good teams on paper don't always translate into good teams in practice. Cruz or Trump, their starting team lineup may or may not work well and their corrections (if they make them) may or may not work better. As for Hillary, while we may not know all the names, we can know the sort of team she will be installing.

 

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Every election season, I am reminded of 1 Samuel 8, where the people of Israel cried for a king to rule over them.

 

God allowed them to have their king, but at a great cost.  He said that in choosing a king they were choosing to reject God.

 

I often wonder what the end results would be if every Christian, instead of voting, fell to their knees and cried out, "O Lord, have your will and way in my life.  Be my King and Ruler, as you so desire to be."

[swathdiver]

17 hours ago, John81 said:

"For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft..." 1 Samuel 15:23

John!  John, are you implying with this verse that it is a sin for a citizen to rise up and throw off a corrupt and anti-Christ government?  For one, your verse is out of context.  Two, it is not a sin to throw off a corrupt government which itself is in open rebellion to God and the very Constitution which it was founded upon.  So then, who really are the rebels?

[John81]

5 hours ago, swathdiver said:

John!  John, are you implying with this verse that it is a sin for a citizen to rise up and throw off a corrupt and anti-Christ government?  For one, your verse is out of context.  Two, it is not a sin to throw off a corrupt government which itself is in open rebellion to God and the very Constitution which it was founded upon.  So then, who really are the rebels?

What government isn't anti-Christ? Are we called to wage physical war or spiritual war?

[swathdiver]

40 minutes ago, John81 said:

What government isn't anti-Christ? Are we called to wage physical war or spiritual war?

Think about that verse you're referencing John.  Maybe even write it out, pray on it, write it out again and see if you hold the same view.

Our original Constitution secured our God given rights and the government worked to honor God and spread the good news.  It didn't last long but there were times since the founding when certain Presidents sought to honor the Lord through the office of POTUS.

[John81]

Trump calling for the Republican Party to unify on him. Left and neo-cons still going after Trump.

Cruz says people should vote for him as a vote against Trump. Charismatic preachers echoing this.

Kasich telling people his win in Ohio means he can win the Republican nomination and the general election. A few Christians are now saying Kasich is a "nice guy" and maybe that means they should vote for him.

Meanwhile, Hillary seems to have basically locked up the Democrat nomination.

Christians still all over the map on the candidates. A few seem to be dropping out, saying they can't support any of the remaining candidates. Some are deciding to join the Trump train as a means to an end. Some are set on Cruz being able to pull off an upset. As mentioned above, a few voicing possible consideration of Kasich.

Still more election drama to endure.

[heartstrings]

10 minutes ago, John81 said:

Trump calling for the Republican Party to unify on him. Left and neo-cons still going after Trump. Does this mean they'll be going at a later time?

Cruz says people should vote for him as a vote against Trump. Charismatic preachers echoing this.

Kasich telling people his win in Ohio means he can win the Republican nomination and the general election. A few Christians are now saying Kasich is a "nice guy" and maybe that means they should vote for him.

Meanwhile, Hillary seems to have basically locked up the Democrat nomination.

Christians still all over the map on the candidates. A few seem to be dropping out, saying they can't support any of the remaining candidates. Some are deciding to join the Trump train as a means to an end. Some are set on Cruz being able to pull off an upset. As mentioned above, a few voicing possible consideration of Kasich.

Still more election drama to endure.

 

[heartstrings]

The extra number of RINO Republican candidates, including DT, most likely a ploy to cause confusion, divide and conquer, and get Hillary elected.

[1Timothy115]

14 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

Wow. Just wow. Nothing like being ignored after having directly addressed someone. 

A vote for Trump is a vote for a lying, whoremongering, corrupt rabblerouser. Be warned. Take it lightly, laugh it off, mock, whatever. You'll see, if low info and/or gullible voters succeed in nominating him.

Exactly!

 

[1Timothy115]

12 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

And all of what he said is verifiable. Even if politifact says otherwise. And honest Rubio who lost his home state (precisely because he lied to them to get elected). All you can do is smear Cruz and build up Trump. That tells me a lot. And still haven't addressed my direct address...

Unless we are born again...yeah. Give credence to the whoremonger, the Catholic (well, both of them - Buchanan and Rubio), the faux conservative and lying liberal sites. But don't dare look deeply enough to see that the actual born again Christian might just be being maligned. Oy vey.

Maligning appears to be his full time job. Along with disparage, denigrate, belittle, deprecate, criticize, and attack. I would expect it from a plant from Hillary's camp.

[HappyChristian]

Nobody said Cruz was a paragon of virtue. But the records show that he is, indeed, a constitutionalist. And has stood for it regardless of attempts by those around him to get him to do otherwise. (And why would a thread about why Christians are voting for Trump need to contain lies  about Cruz - presented, not in an explanatory way, but in a way that was obviously to "prove" how bad Cruz is? And not just lies, but obvious disdain...)

Why are Christians voting for Trump? Because there is a real lack of knowledge in American Christianity. A lack of knowledge of the Word of God. A lack of knowledge or our Constitution. And a lack of knowledge of our history. And that lack has created a vast lack of discernment.

That lack of knowledge and discernment has created a vacuum that DT has, so far, seemed to be successfully filling. However, one needs only look at the actual percentages DT has garnered. Never 50%. That means it is not a majority voting for him - even in the open primaries where democrats are admittedly crossing over to vote for him. If foolish people succeed in nominating Drumpf (that's the original family name, just FYI), he will not win the general. If, by some happenstance, he actually does "win", America loses. Just as America loses if Hillary or Bernie wins.

SFIC, you hit the nail on the head. Too many ignorant people think a "king" is the answer. And that king, in their eyes, is government, not God.

[heartstrings]

When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.-- Proverbs 29:2

It was a mournful time when Bill Clinton was in office, same with Obama, and I am so not looking forward to Hillary. And why in the world would a Christian choose a man whose only principles seem to be "greatness" and "winning", runs casinos and things of that nature, believes in the "right to choose", thinks he needs no forgiveness from God and appears to know no more about God than "two Corinthians"? Seriously, but then we have a man who has track record of consistently trying to uphold our Constitution and our Christian values and "Christians" don't want him?  I don't get it.

Edited March 16, 2016 by heartstrings

[John81]

30 minutes ago, heartstrings said:

When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.-- Proverbs 29:2

It was a mournful time when Bill Clinton was in office, same with Obama, and I am so not looking forward to Hillary. And why in the world would a Christian choose a man whose only principles seem to be "greatness" and "winning", runs casinos and things of that nature, believes in the "right to choose", thinks he needs no forgiveness from God and appears to know no more about God than "two Corinthians"? Seriously, but then we have a man who has track record of consistently trying to uphold our Constitution and our Christian values and "Christians" don't want him?  I don't get it.

What was mournful during the 8 years of President Clinton?

Christian voters who are choosing Trump are doing so for the same reason most choose to vote for other candidates; one or more of: emotions, following the crowd, tradition, lack of understanding.

Exceedingly few voters, Christians included, actually investigate the candidates records, background, personal history, interactions, associations, affiliations. Ask them specific questions about their preferred candidates positions and they usually can't answer. Point out facts they don't like and they've never heard that before or they instantly go into defense mode.

Over the years I've heard countless Christians give what passes for their reasoned, Christian reasons for voting for Democrats, including Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and even Obama.

Each election cycle there are Christians who present reasons why they believe the Christian thing to do is vote for various Republicans.

Is God leading different Christians to vote for many different candidates or are many Christians misreading what they believe to be God's leading?

As this thread proves, Christians not only fail to agree upon one candidate, they can't even discuss the matter. This thread asked the question as to why some Christians are voting for Trump. Possible answers have been put forth as to why some Christians are voting Trump and why some of them are not voting for the other candidates. That should be a simple discussion but it seems an open discussion is viewed by some as support or attack rather than looking at the pro and con reasons.

Someone could have started a thread about why Christian voters would vote for Bush, Carson, Cruz, Fiorina, Rubio, or one of the others and I would have addressed it in the same manner.

As I've clearly stated, I'm not on the Trump train, my vote has already been cast, the Christians I know are divided with regards to who they are supporting (just like the nation at large).

According to the talking heads, Trump holds a commanding lead that will be very hard to overcome. Cruz has an outside chance of gaining the lead but they say it's slim. Kasich seems to have no chance outside a brokered convention nomination. They are also saying that's Cruz's best chance at the nomination but most are saying the establishment would pull every string possible to have Kasich (or even an establishment favorite not in the running) nominated rather than Cruz.

With all that surmising, many are also pointing out that a brokered convention which clearly goes against the voters would likely so fracture things Hillary would almost assuredly win the race (assuming she's the Dem nominee). Time will tell.

There is also the matter of who will control the next Senate, which could be just as or more important than who the next president is. Republicans have more than twice the seats than Dems open this election. That places the Senate open for a possible shift in control.

In the end, God is in control and He can accomplish His will through a Christian or a heathen president, and the prophesied end as found in Scripture will be just as God said in His perfect timing.

[heartstrings]

33 minutes ago, John81 said:

What was mournful during the 8 years of President Clinton?

 

If you can't figure that out, there's no need for me to discuss it.